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My stages on the Camino Primitivo

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Hi Lawrie,

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Laurie, I have heard that this route is very difficult it is the reason I have not attempted to do it. Are the ups and downs that difficult.
 
Difficult but doable. There were lots of us oldies,myself included so you can do it.
 
I agree with camino07. Last summer, I became a part of what turned into a very large group of 15 -- we didn't walk together but always joined up at night. Two or three of them were total novices and struggled a bit, but they paced themselves well and on occasion hopped in a cab, just so they could meet up with us. The distance between albergues is not as short as on the Francés or Norte, but there are ways to keep the mileage down. I know some who have taken 15 or 16 days on the Primitivo to make it more manageable.
 
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Hi, Orafo, good to see you back! Glad you had a fine Camino Salvador/Primitivo. Are you planning another Camino or staying put for a while? Laurie
Hi Laurie,

Rather than start a new on this I just wanted to ask if the Primitivo is much more difficult than say the first week or two on the Le Puy Route?
 
Hi Laurie,

Rather than start a new on this I just wanted to ask if the Primitivo is much more difficult than say the first week or two on the Le Puy Route?

Hi, Irishgurrrl,
I am not by any means a superathlete, far from it, but I have never understood the hype about the Primitivo being hard. I just don't think it is any harder than any other camino I've walked. I walked last summer, and a large group came together on the first day out of Oviedo. People of all types and abilities, two smokers, one with more than a few extra pounds, five or six who had never done anything like this. They all made it fine, though some may have arrived at the destination a bit later than the rest of us. I think if you look at the elevation maps for the Primitivo you'll see that there is no day with more than 600 0r 700 m elevation gain.

https://followingthearrows.com/2014/10/28/camino-primitivo-elevation-profile/

Take a look at this thread (in post no. 7 I talk about elevation). https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/march-april-primitivo.15955/#post-112454

So, long post to say that if you have walked other Caminos, I am confident you can walk the Primitivo. Do others disagree?

Ben camino, Laurie
 


Ah grand, I was wondering about it having read it's meant to be the hardest of all the caminos. I'll be taking it nice and easy with reasonable stages at any rate but good to know it's not killer hard.
 
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Hi,
I found your posts pretty useful, originally I planned to pass this route in 12 days, but now I am wondering to reduce it to 11. The itinerary in the opening post seems better than my first plans, the only changes I'd do to spend the first night in Grado instead of Cornellana (as it might be definitely a good idea to turn to Naranco), and make a longer section for the 2nd day (Grado-Tineo). What do you think?
However, this will be my first camino.
 
Hi skyforger,
Welcome to the forum. I think Grado to Tineo is about 40 km. I've done that in a pinch, but it's not my ideal. You are a better judge of your walking ability, take a look at the elevations and then see what you think. The other thing to consider is whether you want to go via the Hospitales route, in which case stopping in Tineo is kind of a problem. Not really a problem, but the next day your choices would be Campiello or Borres, around 15-18 km, or you could go from Tineo to Berducedo via Hospitales but that would be a VERY long day (for me at least, maybe not for you!)

No matter what you choose, I always think it's a good idea to have a few extra days "in your pocket" in case you have to stop or want to stop or want to walk shorter stages one day, etc. Buen camino, you will love the Primirivo, of that I am sure! Buen camino, Laurie
 
Thanks Laurie this is my first time on this forum as I am considering doing my first ever Camino, I am thinking of the Primitivo as I only have two weeks available away from work, so this one may suit me (if i can deal with the hills) I have a few questions if you dont mind? please, which are the closest airports for the beginning and end please? I am flying from the UK thanks in advance Paul
 
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Hello Paul welcome to the forum.
No one will give you better advice generally than Laurie , but I will just chip in with my advice on travel from UK (even though I flew from Ireland) in May last year.
(I flew from Dublin to Stansted and slept in the airport overnight.)
Easyjet (check in early, if you are following today's UK news !!!!!) from Stansted to Asturias airport. My flight was about 6am. The airport is maybe 50km from Oviedo and there was an efficient and cheap coach from outside the (very small, modern) terminal. I stayed a night in Oviedo - it is a very nice city with plenty to see. 2 weeks is plenty for the walk. You will probably fly home from Santiago. Skyscanner will give you a lot of choices. Sometimes a connecting flight via Madrid or Barcelona is very cheap or else a direct flight to LGW.
 
@Paul Geronimo Goddard Oh and just a word of advice - if you have further specific questions, you'll get an easier response by starting a new thread, (within this subforum). Although this thread is pinned, and HUGELY useful, specific questions will be picked up more easily with a new header. Tim
 
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Hi Timr Thank you very much for your advice its really good to hear, your advice is of great help to me
 
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Great post Laurie... thank you!
& a really good thread to read through... nice one all

Am on the hunt for Spring Primitivo talk... am thinking about walking the Primitivo in March, not a lot of info...

"I have been collecting diaries on the Primitivo for wanna-be pilgrims and this one will be invaluable."
Hi SillyDoll
Those diaries sound useful... any links you might want to share??

Cheers
 
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Hi, Pablo, I did not have a blog for my first Camino Primitivo in 2008. This post was about it. For the others, you can find the links by clicking on the right titles on the list of blogs that comes up at the bottom of each of my posts. If you can't find them, let me know. Buen camino, Laurie
 
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Hi Laurie, how would you compare the Primitivo to the Mozarabe? We are thinking about walking the Primitivo perhaps next year
 
Hi All,
Laurie, first of all I would like to congratulate you on the accuracy of your guides, we have used your Camino Portuguese guide (Lisbon to Santiago) without any hick ups. I have also downloaded your Primitivo, and looking forward on using it this May. Just one question, is there an alternative for the stretch from Melida to Santiago? I have read somewhere about, if I recall correctly, the "green Camino" from Lugo to Lavacolla.
If anybody can provide some clarity on this.
 

Hi, PK,
I haven’t walked this green alternative from Lugo to Sobrado dos Monxes, but we have a sub-forum with a lot of info. https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/forums/camino-verde-from-lugo-to-sobrado.194/

As far as Sobrado to Lavacolla, look here. I haven’t walked that alternative either, though. https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...colla-avoiding-arzúa-st-irene-pedrouzo.58373/


Hi Laurie, how would you compare the Primitivo to the Mozarabe? We are thinking about walking the Primitivo perhaps next year
Oh dear, Corine, I just saw your question. I always have a hard time comparing caminos for difficulty, but I have met a lot of non-hard-core first-timers on the Primitivo and they all were fine. The first days out of Almería on the Mozárabe were hard, more because of walking on a rocky river bed and one tricky descent than anything else, but I never had the feeling I had reached my limits. You should compare some elevation profiles for the Primitivo, gronze has some and so do other websites. Buen camino, Lauarie
 
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Thank you so much Laurie, for the very usefull information.
 
I’m looking at the Primitivo this year with my wife, but I am bad with vertigo and drops. Other than comments on the dam, I can’t find comments on any other parts of the route that maybe “frightening” enough to paralyse me? Any thoughts on this please would be great.
 
I cannot bring any place to mind that may be scary, but then I never considered the dam scary so I simply not notice such things.
 
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Loved the Hospitales route but that descent at the end ,down into the village terrifies me. I have done it twice now and the second time was as bad as the first.
 
Loved the Hospitales route but that descent at the end ,down into the village terrifies me.
Totally agree. The village itself, Montefurado is a beautiful, but almost totally abandoned village, where I have always thought an albergue would be a brilliant idea.

But just to poit out that you have to make this descent no matter which route you take. The Hospitales route joins with the Pola de Allande route at the pass, which is where the stony descent begins.

I am unable to judge what would cause vertigo, but this is a hard and tricky descent, kind of like some of the descent after Alto del Perdón on the Francés, or the rocky part into El Acebo, but I think this is steeper. It is also a real nightmare in wet weather. There is a road option, which would add many kms, but would be less harrowing for those with vertigo. The good thing is that you could make the decision when you are there and see what it looks like.

The AS-14 takes you there in 4.6 km. If you look at the google maps screenshot I’ve attached showing the road route, the walking route essentially draws a straight line between the two points.

 
... It is also a real nightmare in wet weather.

When we walked in 2019 there was a very heavy mist, cold cold rain and wind. We reached this point and I was dreading it; I'm not happy on descents at the best of times... and I'd read about this one!

My husband told me to go first and he would wait behind me and grab me if I slipped... three paces in and he slipped and pushed right into me sending me skidding too. No harm done at all and we both laughed and carried on gingerly picking our way down... partway down a pilgrim strode by without breaking his stride... oh I wish I had the confidence of that chap!

I would love to walk the Primitivo again.. maybe in spring rather than autumn and I guess I'll just have to pick my way down again
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.

I'm really not a fan of heights and there have been bridges that I've struggled to cross but I never felt the dam was a problem. The descent down is tricky but again I never felt afraid of any ledges or heights... it was more the general steepness of the trail.

I can have my moments if there is a great height but I don't remember anything on the Primitivo... just a really beautiful walk! I hope you get there... it's glorious
 

Rule of Thumb, person behind you on a steep descent should leave more than one body between them and first descender in case they fall and put person first descender in danger. I am sometimes amazed with the lack of space between pilgrims going down from Alto de Perdon.
 
I am very vertigo/heights sensitive and have done the Primitivo twice. The dam was the only place I felt any concern-- not that it was unsafe in any way, but on account of my difficulties. I had no trouble at all at the Pola de Allande, but others might-- it's a very subjective condition.
 
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Interesting how differently we see these things. I have just looked at my blog from the day I walked the Hospitales route and I clearly did not notice anything untoward - other than the dog that surprised me!

Samblismo to La Mesa 28km - Last nights Albergue was excellent. Most impressive was the superb evening meal and the wonderful breakfast that included freshly baked bread. He could add to his income by selling sandwiches for the next day (and bread making courses)! The Albergue is also situated ideally as it’s on the Pola route and the hospitalas path is less the 100m straight out the door. After the great breakfast I left at 0815 and headed up the hospitalas route. There was still some mist but it looked like it would clear quite quickly. The walk on this route is not at all difficult and it could not have been marked better if someone had drawn a yellow line along the whole way. The mist did clear before the first peak and the views were lovely. Unfortunately, the mist dropped down again after that and visibility dropped to 50m or so at some times. During one of these times I heard suddenly something running quickly from behind towards me. This made my heart beat a little faster. Turned out it was a dog that had followed another couple into the Albergue last night. He stayed with me for about 10 km and obviously knew the camino well. It was a lovely walk overall with very little time on road and a great stretch through a forest of Scots pine towards the end. Just like the previous day the mist cleared away about 40 mins before the end of the walk and now it’s a clear blue sky. I had expected it to be 30km to here but it was a little shorter and a lot shorter than my preference. However, this is a wonderful Albergue with a washing machine and dryer so it’s a great opportunity to get properly clean clothes again. Also the next opportunities to stop are 11km and then another 5km away and although it would have been doable all it would achieve is to make tomorrow shorter as the choices thereafter are limited. Did I mention there is a pool here as well? Pity it’s a little chilly. Probably off to Fonsagrada tomorrow.
 
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Ola, we are about your age, wondering if you would/could do the Primitivo now?
 
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What are you wondering? I’m happy to answer. I’m ready, since it only takes about twenty minutes to pull out the things on my packing list and put them in my pack. It did take me several hours to find my hiking poles, though, which I haven’t used in more than a year and a half!
 
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Mainly, your starting point and your route to get there. Many thanks and Buen Camino
I have walked three times and always started in León so as to add the Salvador, which is so special. It adds 4-5 days and takes you over the mountains between León and Oviedo. Stunning. Lots of people start in Oviedo though.

Since the original post is from 2008, do we have any recent updates to add?
Hi, @Mycroft, yes there are tons of more recent threads which you see if you scroll through the Primitivo sub-forum. I think @barnettstakeagiantstep posted a question on this old thread because they saw that we are in the same age bracket, aka old.

Happy to answer, but I’m not sure what kind of updates you are talking about. If you have specific questions, you should feel free to start a new thread rather than add on to this old one.

One of the mods has put together a “best of the Primitivo” collection of threads, which you can access on this thread.

 
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Thanks for some of this explanation. Basically I can click reply and then I can easily be stumped.
I take it if I click Threads up near the top of the page, I can peruse topics on Primitivo, etc. I probably will be stumped very quickly, but I'll give it a go.
OK I am wrong. Threads just takes me to threads I have started--I didn't know I started any! But I see there is another place where I can search threads. Maybe I will try again in a couple of days....
 
Hi Mycroft, I think I can answer this for you. If you look above the very first post in this thread, back at the top of page 1, you can see the “thread” list right above the title to this post. If you click on “Camino Primitivo” like I’ve circled in red in the pic below, that is a shortcut to the Primitivo forum.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
Mainly, your starting point and your route to get there. Many thanks and Buen Camino
Officially, the Primitivo starts at the Cathedral in Oviedo. You can get to Oviedo from Madrid by bus, train or plane. The airport is about a half hour out of the city so from there you have to take a bus into Oviedo (or a cab I suppose but that would probably be expensive).
Several of the guidebooks for the Primitivo include a two-day connector from the Camino del Norte starting in Villaviciosa which is one bus ride from Oviedo proper and two bus rides from the Airport.
Fingers crossed, I'm starting in Villaviciosa this weekend so hopefully I'll know a lot more in a few weeks.
 
I saw your suggestion....Is the way marked to Naranco ? also from Nacaro to the Primitivo ? I have wise pilgrim guide but do not see Naranco on the map. seems to be bit north of camino.
I appreciate your suggestion
Respectfully
Clifford Clement
I would shorten this day by walking up to see the churches in Naranco and then continuing about 9 km out of Oviedo the first day instead of staying in Oviedo for that night. It’s easy to find the way up to the churches and from there the CSJ guide tells you how to reconnect with the Camino Primitivo
 
My memory is that neither is marked. I mapped them on google and trusted to luck! Going up to the monument is easy and you really can’t get lost! It’s just straight up! Getting back to the Primitivo was a little more complicated, but we stuck to the directions I had written down and we got there pretty easily.
 
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Getting to Naranco is easy. Just go to the train station, swing around on the left side and start walking up. In a few kms you will be there, and you will see signs for the site when you are closer. Google maps will work find for this part if you aren’t sure.

As far as Naranco to Escamplero — Here are the directions from people who live in Oviedo. They are old, but I have no reason to believe they aren’t accurate, unless one of you who have walked it can correct me.

Return to the parking lot below the churches. On the western side of the lot, a path descends to a park, named "Purificación Tomás" (named after a famous female Asturian politician). If you cross the park, always in the southwestern direction, you will come into the road that takes you to the last building of the Florida neighborhood (The Primitivo leaves Oviedo going through the neighborhoods of La Argañosa and La Florida, so you are joining up with the Camino just as it's about to leave the city, because La Florida is the newest developoment on the very edge of town). And from there you will be on the Camino, and will go through the little hamlet of Santiago de Pañiceres.

I very much think the visit is well worth it, they are just beautiful places. I always spend a full day in Oviedo, but if I were going to continue walking to Escamplero on the day I visit the churches, I would try to get to Santa María right as it opens at 9:30. There is only one “guard”, so he shuttles back and forth between the two sites. When one is open, the other is locked. Getting there right at 9:30 means you will enjoy Santa María without a lot of people, and then head up when the guard decides to close Santa María to go up to open up San Miguel.
 
@peregrina2000 -- I just checked my notes and these are the directions I had written down in 2015. We were able to follow them easily. It seemed to take longer to get back to the camino than we expected and we were concerned a couple of times that we had missed something. But we kept going, asked locals a couple of times whether we were on track, and got back to the Primitivo easily. It was a lovely walk also on quiet back roads.
 
I appreciate your effort and support. Sounds good ,
Thank You very much,
Clifford Clement
 
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