Mass

[Peter Voncken]

Do I remember well that priests in the pilgrimmass welcome pilgrims in several languages? I want to know this for sure for a camino story.

 

[Annet2020]

They didn't when I attended a pilgrimsmass at 19.30h in September. Also thought numbers of pilgrims arriving last 24 hours would be mentioned. Didn't happen either. Maybe only at the 12.00h mass.

 

[Mad Manx]

They didn't when I attended a pilgrimsmass at 19.30h in September. Also thought numbers of pilgrims arriving last 24 hours would be mentioned. Didn't happen either. Maybe only at the 12.00h mass.

Their is a pilgrim mass in English in one of the side chapels on I think Friday at 10am
The last two masses we went to we're multi lingual maybe we were lucky

 

[Former member 91017]

I think that the short answer is that “it varies”… I was at a mass in the chapel at the Pilgrim Office and at that mass the language of each attendee was asked and then, a card in that person’s preferred language was given. I think that aside from English, Portuguese, French and German, they also had Korean cards printed out.

 

[Annet2020]

Their is a pilgrim mass in English in one of the side chapels on I think Friday at 10am
The last two masses we went to we're multi lingual maybe we were lucky

I know there are masses in English, but according to the official website of the Cathedral de Santiago the 12.00h and 19.30h masses are pilgrim's masses. I knew it would be in Spanish but I did expect some words about the pilgrim's who just arrived.

 

[Scott Sweeney]

I know many of the Masses are in Spanish but officially they are to be done in Latin. Over the years we have heard them in English.

 

[Former member 91017]

I know many of the Masses are in Spanish but officially they are to be done in Latin. Over the years we have heard them in English.

Really?
Is that specific to the SdC Cathedral for some reason?
My parents and in-laws and all my aunts and uncles have long bemoaned the loss of Latin mass (and also made irreverent jokes about non-Latin speaking congregants not understanding commands said in the Latin mass).... but I don't know -- outside of Rome -- of Latin being the standard.
My question is sincere as this would be a really unique piece of official policy... AFAIK.

 

[Synnove]

I attended the mass october 18. 12.00h. They welkomed pilgrims in different languages. They also mentioned pilgrims arrived during the last day, but not all of us. I arrived at the Pilgrims Office the previous day at 3 pm, after finishing the Primitivo from Oviedo. Not mentioned. The mass was in Spanish.

 

[SabsP]

Really?
Is that specific to the SdC Cathedral for some reason?
My parents and in-laws and all my aunts and uncles have long bemoaned the loss of Latin mass (and also made irreverent jokes about non-Latin speaking congregants not understanding commands said in the Latin mass).... but I don't know -- outside of Rome -- of Latin being the standard.
My question is sincere as this would be a really unique piece of official policy... AFAIK.

No.See earlier thread. Parts of Mass might be sung in Latin but spoken parts are always in Castellano and Gallego.
Even in Rome the Pope mainly uses Italian during Mass!
I don't want to get too much into detail ( forumrules regarding religion ) but if you do an internet search with " Pope Francis " and " traditional Latin Mass " you will read his views ( and I can very much relate to them! ).

https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/latin-mass-service.22369/

The " aficionados " of the Tridentine Mass can find something more to their taste here.

Spain – Latin Mass Directory

A Catholic directory of approved traditional Latin Masses

www.latinmassdir.org

 

[Walton]

I'm not Catholic but it is really special to be welcomed into the Churches in Spain while on Camino and to attend mass not just in Santiage de Compostela, but in other places such as Roncesvelles, Leon and so on which I have done. But being non-Catholic, I didn't understand much at all about the service.

Recently, one of Australia's most loved and enduring television and radio personalities, Bert Newton died , and his State Funeral was broadcast on national television. Mr. Newton had a very long requiem mass and during that mass, during the Catholic part of the service, the officiating priest explained in English what each section of mass was as it happened and what the Church believed in before performing the section.

I found the explanations to be most interesting and I gained some insight into the beliefs of the Catholic religion. I learned many things that I didn't know before.

Before the Catholic members of the congregation lined up to recieve a small token of bread from the priest, he invited people who were not Catholics to come forward also and signify that they only wished for a blessing, by crossing their arms.

My question is that if I come forward when I next attend mass in Spain and as a non-Catholic, cross my arms will the priest recognise that I wish to receieve a blessing?

For me, it doesn't matter whether the service is in Latin, Spanish, English of whatever. For me it is about just being in the moment and just being quiet, reflective and warm for a moment of time.

Cheers

 

[J Willhaus]

Yes, @Walton , if you come forward and cross your arms when everyone else is coming forward for communion you will get a blessing. We are not Catholic either, but do like to attend Mass on the Camino.

 

[Lydia Gillen]

Before The Ecumenical Council in the 1960's, called Vatican 11 (because it was the second council to be held in the Vatican) all Catholic Masses world wide were said in Latin.
However the Council decreed that in future all Masses should be said in the vernacular of the people.
So in Australia , USA, England, Ireland, Scotland and many other countries Mass was celebrated in English.
Small parts of Ireland use Irish . In Spain, Spanish is the venacular and is usually used but in Galicia where Santiago de Compostela is sometimes Galego (Spelling) is used.
However some older people have a great love of the Latin they used to pray in during their youth, and they have from time to time and place to place been given permission to use Latin.

I am really glad that the Mass for Bart Newtons funeral was celebrated so beautifully and explained so well to all those who watched it.

 

[Tincatinker]

The crossing of arms as a signal that you have not confessed and therefore cannot receive the host is widely recognized. As the good father at one of my godchildren’s christening (families are complicated) remarked “another blessed sinner. You were always His favourites”.
@Peter Voncken i do not recall any multilingual introduction to mass in Santiago. I do recall the recitation of numbers of pilgrims from [nation]

 

[Marbe2]

On Palm Sunday, a few years ago ,We attended the Saturday night mass in Palas de Rei. The priest was wonderful. He greeted in several languages including Spanish, German, French, and did his best in English to welcome us.

Then he the priest sent someone after mass to get us Olive branches (instead of palm) which he blessed and gave to us. We attached the palm to my backpack and carried it to SdC.

 

[Synnove]

There was a multilingual introduction; English, German and Spanish the 18. of October

 

[oursonpolaire]

Really?
Is that specific to the SdC Cathedral for some reason?
My parents and in-laws and all my aunts and uncles have long bemoaned the loss of Latin mass (and also made irreverent jokes about non-Latin speaking congregants not understanding commands said in the Latin mass).... but I don't know -- outside of Rome -- of Latin being the standard.
My question is sincere as this would be a really unique piece of official policy... AFAIK.

I've attended pilgrim masses a number of times (perhaps 15 or so) at the cathedral, and several times in other churches in Santiago and I have never heard a bit of Latin (I did hear mass in Gallego once) aside from the world "Oremus". Of course the definitive text is Latin, but normally translations into the local language is used -- in Spain, Castilian, Catalan, Basque, and Gallego-- I am told it is said in Asturian in Oviedo and a few places but have not run into it. I have seen reports that the traditional Latin mass can be found in Pamplona, but it is apparently not common in Spain (I've just checked, and it can be heard in Lugo and Pentevedra, but those are the only two spots in Galicia).

 

[Tamarack]

Do I remember well that priests in the pilgrimmass welcome pilgrims in several languages? I want to know this for sure for a camino story.

I was in the Santiago cathedral for the noon mass on Oct. 20, and the priest said a few words in various languages, but I can't say for sure it was a welcome, as English wasn't his first language. He also listed off, in Spanish, the many places that pilgrims hailed from in the previous day. I knew this because he said Estados Unidos and Puerto Rico, two places I knew that day's pilgrims hailed from.

 

[Former member 91017]

Thank you to @oursonpolaire and @SabineP —- had you not stepped in to confirm, I’d have remained very confused at the thought that the mass in SdC is for some reason “traditionally to be done in Latin”.

 

[Kathor1]

Thank you to @oursonpolaire and @SabineP —- had you not stepped in to confirm, I’d have remained very confused at the thought that the mass in SdC is for some reason “traditionally to be done in Latin”.

I think there may be a confusion/misunderstandings in this thread. There is a difference between Mass in Latin (afaik, it is not said in Latin anywhere but I would be happy to learn otherwise) and Latin Mass.

Mass in Latin is the template for all languages while Latin Mass is a somewhat controversial topic since 1962 or so.

I am not sure why we are even discussing this. How many of us on the forum would be able to determine whether Mass is said in Latin, in Spanish or in Italian, especially when the priest inevitably pronounces Latin with a Spanish or Italian accent?

As to Latin Mass, @SabineP helpfully posted a link to a list where this can be found in Spain. The Cathedral of Santiago is not on this list. I don't recognise most of the names on the list, with the notable exception of the Cathedral in Pamplona.

 

[Marbe2]

Pope Francis on use of Latin Mass!

Pope reverses Benedict, reimposes restrictions on Latin Mass

Pope Francis has cracked down on the celebration of the old Latin Mass by reversing one of Pope Benedict XVI’s signature decisions.

apnews.com

 

[Tincatinker]

It is perhaps time to close this thread which has strayed from an author's query on practice in the Cathedral of Santiago to matters of doctrine that do not concern this forum.