Brent Macdonald
Squamish Walker
- Time of past OR future Camino
- - Primitivo - Muxia 2023
- Full Francingena 2024
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‘Easy’ is a good word. ‘Unavoidable’ is better!Hello everyone - I’ve committed myself to walking the full via francingena in sept 2024 Canterbury to Santa Marie di Leuca
I think i can walk it between 100-120 days I believe I need to get a visa for stays over 90 days as a Canadian and need to get it stamped when I first enter a Schengen country which I believe will be France now.
Is it easy to get it stamped in Calais getting off the ferry?
Any information, ideas or thoughts is greatly appreciated! I will finish a few months before I turn 60 and am looking forward to the journey!
Thanks for your time - Brent
It will be stamped before you get on the ferry by French border controlHello everyone - I’ve committed myself to walking the full via francingena in sept 2024 Canterbury to Santa Marie di Leuca
I think i can walk it between 100-120 days I believe I need to get a visa for stays over 90 days as a Canadian and need to get it stamped when I first enter a Schengen country which I believe will be France now.
Is it easy to get it stamped in Calais getting off the ferry?
Any information, ideas or thoughts is greatly appreciated! I will finish a few months before I turn 60 and am looking forward to the journey!
Thanks for your time - Brent
SO if I understand correctly, I could jump from country to country based on the old agreements and stay in Europe longer than 90 days. I just can not stay in any one country longer than they allowed in this document, assuming they are listed in this with existing old bilateral agreements. Sound right?As a Canadian it looks like if you can walk across France within 90 days you can continue walking another 3 months or 90 days in Italy using an old biteral visa waiver treaty. Check with Italy's embassy or consulates in Canada.
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No... The Schengen area is one thing, and you can only be in the Schengen area 90 out of 180 days... 10 days in Spain, 10 in PT, 10 In Italy counts as 30 days of your 90.SO if I understand correctly, I could jump from country to country based on the old agreements and stay in Europe longer than 90 days. I just can not stay in any one country longer than they allowed in this document, assuming they are listed in this with existing old bilateral agreements. Sound right?
No. You must first check with the embassies or consulates before leaving home to get permissions, instructions, visas or waivers. For example, they may say that their end of the bilateral treaty is fulfilled by your 90 day Schengen allowance. Or if they do allow a stay after you reached your 90 day Schengen allowance you may have to enter from another country (i.e., not already be present in their country). They may even specify whether you must enter or exit by land or air. Mention the bilateral treaty when you inquire though so they don't automatically just give you the Schengen rules.SO if I understand correctly, I could jump from country to country based on the old agreements and stay in Europe longer than 90 days. I just can not stay in any one country longer than they allowed in this document, assuming they are listed in this with existing old bilateral agreements. Sound right?
As a Canadian it looks like if you can walk across France within 90 days you can continue walking another 3 months or 90 days in Italy using an old biteral visa waiver treaty. Check with Italy's embassy or consulates in Canada.
It’s not necessarily illegal, nor a loophole - but it’s certainly complicated!Brent, I admire your bravado, committing yourself to doing something which is to all intents and purposes illegal then asking this forum to find you a loophole!
It may be worth you researching the possibility of a visa which permits you to stay beyond the 90-day Schengen allowance. But, others have also researched this and have been discouraged by the lack of precedents and by the seemingly impenetrable bureaucracy which would have to be overcome especially when, after months of form filling and email chasing, you may still get the answer 'No'!
Schengen is a pooling of immigration and border controls by many European countries, but each country (sometimes each border guard!) retains its own autonomy for most purposes, and has its own interpretation of how rare exceptions to the Schengen limits might apply.
You *would* be able to fulfil your ambition/commitment by walking from (say) Canterbury to Rome in one hit of fewer than 90 days, taking a three month break out of the Schengen zone (eg in Ireland, the UK or Romania), then returning to Rome to complete your journey to Santa Maria de Leuca.
I'm a Brit and am limited by similar visa challenges. I will walk from London to Rome this year and perhaps walk South from Rome another year.
Good luck!
Yes, I've read of an American businessman leaving a Schengen country where he had a extra stay but got caught in transit at a Swiss airport. He ended up having a hard and expensive time with lawyers getting permission to visit the Schengen zone again.You also need to carefully watch how you move from country to country and be sure that you don't transit a country without an agreement even if that is in the transit area of an airport.
This is the normal dodge -- and if you time it right (late night crossing), potentially no exit check either.If taking the Ferry to Calais all passport checks and stamps are carried by French authorities in Dover, then when you arrive in Calais you just head off, being a Canadian I presume it will be the same.. Some ferry companies don’t allow pedestrians but if you have a bicycle you’re ok.. something else to check..
Switzerland, although not part of the EU, is part of Schengen, along with Iceland, Norway and Liechtenstein.I guess if your passport gets stamped at the Channel crossing, deliberately get it stamped when you reach Switzerland ?
The French authorities will certainly check your passport in Dover, and if it is Canadian, stamp it.If taking the Ferry to Calais all passport checks and stamps are carried by French authorities in Dover, then when you arrive in Calais you just head off, being a Canadian I presume it will be the same.. Some ferry companies don’t allow pedestrians but if you have a bicycle you’re ok.. something else to check..
It's a bit more complicated than that, but probably not something to discuss in here.¨It's certainly annoying that the 90/180 rule imposed by the UK persists after Brexit, but there you go.¨ This rule is imposed on the UK, not by it.
Wow - I’ll look into that - thank you!SO if I understand correctly, I could jump from country to country based on the old agreements and stay in Europe longer than 90 days. I just can not stay in any one country longer than they allowed in this document, assuming they are listed in this with existing old bilateral agreements. Sound right?
Good luck, buen camino.Thanks for all the advice - I in no way intend to violate any international law
I have contacted the Italian Consulate here for an interview and will see what they say - fingers crossed - it does look like it’s searching for a unicorn but I’ll fight the fight. If I cannot get an extension on the 90 days I’ll look at the possibility of doing it in under 90 days or maybe just going to Rome i guess - that would be a bit of a let down but still a great journey - thanks everyone - cheers
I meant that this rule was insisted on by the Brits when they were in the EU. And yes it's ironic. Just clarifying my meaning, and I'm not discussing this any further.¨It's certainly annoying that the 90/180 rule imposed by the UK persists after Brexit, but there you go.¨ This rule is imposed on the UK, not by it.
Yes. This is an important thing to remember!even if that is in the transit area of an airport.
Good luck with the research and negotiations, Brent! Wishing you an epic walk, wherever it takes you.Thanks for all the advice - I in no way intend to violate any international law
I have contacted the Italian Consulate here for an interview and will see what they say - fingers crossed - it does look like it’s searching for a unicorn but I’ll fight the fight. If I cannot get an extension on the 90 days I’ll look at the possibility of doing it in under 90 days or maybe just going to Rome i guess - that would be a bit of a let down but still a great journey - thanks everyone - cheers
Coming from Canada, no visa is needed. The 90/180 rule you described applies if you come without a visa. Otherwise, there are many sorts of visas available. If you need more than ninety days, you apply for a visa (I think they call it "type D" for the country you are going to spend the most time in. Then you are on the 90/180 rule for the other Schengen countries. If you need more than 180 days total, you need visas for at least two of the countries. Best to discuss exactly what you plan to do with the nearest consulate for one or more of the countries involved. Or ask at https://travel.stackexchange.com/ —but provide more details than you gave here about your plans, lest some of the grumpier folks over there harass you for being vague.AFAIK there are no tourist visas that allow for a stay longer than 90 days in any 180 day period in the Schengen free travel area.
Oh Mate, hang on, the UK was never in Schengen. The 90/180 is a Schengen rule not an EU rule. It was overdid by EU rules on freedom of movement that expired on Brexit. And the idea that the “Brits”(?) could insist on the application of the rules of a club that they were never a member of is…. Words failI meant that this rule was insisted on by the Brits when they were in the EU. And yes it's ironic. Just clarifying my meaning, and I'm not discussing this any further.
Yes I know.Oh Mate, hang on, the UK was never in Schengen
But they did ... it was in the period when the Schengen treaty was being discussed, and the UK and some other countries insisted on the opt-out possibility, and the UK was one of those that insisted on the 90/180 rule as a part of that treaty -- that the UK was a signatory of.And the idea that the “Brits”(?) could insist on the application of the rules of a club that they were never a member of is…. Words fail
Agreed, though easier in some countries than in others.Meanwhile, any person from a country that is not a member of the Schengen Agreement who wishes to spend more than 90 contiguous days within Schengen allied countries simply needs to apply for an appropriate visa. Difficult probably, tedious certainly, but certainly achievable.
(a) | they are in possession of a valid travel document entitling the holder to cross the border satisfying the following criteria:
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(b) | they are in possession of a valid visa, if required pursuant to Council Regulation (EC) No 539/2001 (25), except where they hold a valid residence permit or a valid long-stay visa; |
(c) | they justify the purpose and conditions of the intended stay, and they have sufficient means of subsistence, both for the duration of the intended stay and for the return to their country of origin or transit to a third country into which they are certain to be admitted, or are in a position to acquire such means lawfully; |
(d) | they are not persons for whom an alert has been issued in the SIS for the purposes of refusing entry; |
(e) | they are not considered to be a threat to public policy, internal security, public health or the international relations of any of the Member States, in particular where no alert has been issued in Member States’ national data bases for the purposes of refusing entry on the same grounds. |
(a) | third-country nationals who do not fulfil all the conditions laid down in paragraph 1 but who hold a residence permit or a long-stay visa shall be authorised to enter the territory of the other Member States for transit purposes so that they may reach the territory of the Member State which issued the residence permit or the long-stay visa, unless their names are on the national list of alerts of the Member State whose external borders they are seeking to cross and the alert is accompanied by instructions to refuse entry or transit; |
(b) | third-country nationals who fulfil the conditions laid down in paragraph 1, except for that laid down in point (b), and who present themselves at the border may be authorised to enter the territory of the Member States, if a visa is issued at the border in accordance with Articles 35 and 36 of Regulation (EC) No 810/2009 of the European Parliament and of the Council (26). Member States shall compile statistics on visas issued at the border in accordance with Article 46 of Regulation (EC) No 810/2009 and Annex XII thereto. If it is not possible to affix a visa in the document, it shall, exceptionally, be affixed on a separate sheet inserted in the document. In such a case, the uniform format for forms for affixing the visa, laid down by Council Regulation (EC) No 333/2002 (27), shall be used; |
(c) | third-country nationals who do not fulfil one or more of the conditions laid down in paragraph 1 may be authorised by a Member State to enter its territory on humanitarian grounds, on grounds of national interest or because of international obligations. Where the third-country national concerned is the subject of an alert as referred to in paragraph 1(d), the Member State authorising him or her to enter its territory shall inform the other Member States accordingly. |
There are no - to my knowledge - extensions for tourism visas/entries beyond 90 days in a 180 day period.If you need more than ninety days, you apply for a visa (I think they call it "type D" for the country you are going to spend the most time in.
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