me too. was a waiter for many years.
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me too. was a waiter for many years.Just a thought, what I do when I enter a cafe is clear all the plates and cups for the staff ( these places sometimes have only one person serving) when I have finished clearing I then order .I have the time and it makes their life easier for them . I do it because I am lucky enough to be able to do Caminos . Got offered a job once LOL .
No, the explanation is in the content of many of the earlier answers in this thread.so far Madrid un poco mas amable que el camino IMO. Maybe it’s a countryside/culture thing.
In the USA there are pretty distinct cultural differences depending on where you are, but I would say it is a combination of BOTH latitude and longitude.The south of many countries seems to be more laidback than the north .. eg France, Italy … perhaps it’s a European thing
In the USA there are pretty distinct cultural differences depending on where you are, but I would say it is a combination of BOTH latitude and longitude.
oooh. You're cool.I can see that - Steely Dan (or the Velvets) & Little Feet … or the (G.) Dead …
Huh, I like to just say "buenas" or "buenos".Buenas Dias, Buena Dia: meandering the backroads back in the day I would offer that salutation and usually would receive a “Buenas” with that backward flick of the head, sometimes just a slight lifting of the chin, that meant I’d been acknowledged.
“Buena Dia; Buenas Tardes” , in any encounter with a stranger in Spain your use of one of those will qualify the rest of your experience
Huh, I like to just say "buenas" or "buenos".
Now figuring out which one to say is sometimes difficult...
Yes, but even so..Hence, buenos during the day, and buenas at night. But I'm an idiot.
You mean the part about me being an idiot?Yes, but even so..
I’d flagged myself as a foreigner, a suspect, possibly even a subversive merely by trying to be polite
During the day is "buenos dias" and " buenas tardes". I think that everybody says always " buenas". If you say " buenos" could be confusing.Huh, I like to just say "buenas" or "buenos".
Now figuring out which one to say is sometimes difficult...
But I have this expression that I use that kinda helps me out. (It's just in my head, and not neccesarily PC, grounded in my ignorant understanding of past Spanish culture.)
"The day is for men. The night is for women."
Hence, buenos during the day, and buenas at night. But I'm an idiot.
Ok, I once asked a local about this... about when to switch from buenos to buenas. She said, "did you eat lunch yet?"During the day is "buenos dias" and " buenas tardes". I think that everybody says always " buenas". If you say " buenos" could be confusing.
I took a Spanish class in Barcelona, and our teacher told us that it's buenos días before lunch (or around 2pm), then buenas tardes until dinner.Ok, I once asked a local about this... about when to switch from buenos to buenas. She said, "did you eat lunch yet?"
@Pelegrin, I didn't know that. Thank you!everybody says always "buenas"
wait. I can't just say "buenos?" at the appropriate time of day of course. I swear I've been greeted with that expression like 1000 times.@Pelegrin, I didn't know that. Thank you!
So buenos is not used as an informal greeting, only buenas; or obviously buenos días / buenas trades / buenas noches! Why don't they teach us this in all these language courses? It was only when we were in Spain that we noticed that people simply said Buenas! when entering a shop or bar.
You are of course absolutely correct, even the RAE knows this: Y para cualquier hora existe, además, la expresión abreviada buenas, que solo se emplea en algunas zonas ―en España, en el área rioplatense y en parte de las áreas andina y centroamericana― y siempre en registros coloquiales.
I had to look up "rioplatense".
Yes, you can say " buenos" and can be ok but some people could ask "buenos que ?". If you say always "buenas" then no problem.wait. I can't just say "buenos?" at the appropriate time of day of course. I swear I've been greeted with that expression like 1000 times.
Good to know.Yes, you can say " buenos" and can be ok but some people could ask "buenos que ?". If you say always "buenas" then no problem.
Now I'm confused. Even in the morning, right? I won't even try to ask for a explanation.Yes, you can say " buenos" and can be ok but some people could ask "buenos que ?". If you say always "buenas" then no problem
Thanks for this clarification. I had noticed that "buenas" seemed more common and was puzzled.Yes, you can say " buenos" and can be ok but some people could ask "buenos que ?". If you say always "buenas" then no problem.
I think we need to accept this as just the way the expressions have evolved.Now I'm confused. Even in the morning, right? I won't even try to ask for a explanation.
I link this to the title if not the meanderings of the thread. My local, my usual, my normaL. The normal greeting in my local setting is more likely to be: Miserable day, isn't it?Now I'm confused. Even in the morning, right? I won't even try to ask for a explanation.
The normal situation is: you say " buenas" to people who you know. Otherwise you say " buenos dias".Now I'm confused. Even in the morning, right? I won't even try to ask for a explanation.
For those thinking that this might be a warning to worry about, I think the same is very unlikely to happen to a pilgrim wishing the Guardia Civil a pleasant "Buenas!" on a Camino route nowadays. Times have changed and so have the priorities of the Guardia.I made one of those serious tactical errors that we all make once or twice in our lives. Approaching Jimena de la Frontera fairly late on a long hot day I met a Guardia Civil patrol running a road-block. I tried a “Buenas” and kept on walking. Not for far. Once I’d been bounced around a bit, very thoroughly searched I was told to keep walking, as in keep walking till I was out of their patch. Turned out no Spanish peasant would have said “have a nice day” to the Guardia Civil. I’d flagged myself as a foreigner, a suspect, possibly even a subversive merely by trying to be polite
I agreeEdited to add: After reading the previous post (#126), perhaps it is better to say the full "buenos dias", or if you are still walking after la comida, "buenas tardes" rather than the more informal abbreviated version.
We didn’t experience any rudeness in Oct/Nov 23. We learnt to be patient & just relax if it took a while to be served or to pay & trust we would get there eventually.we had a great time on the Camino Frances. We met some lovely people. But I was surprised at how many locals we met either completely ignored us or were outright rude despite the fact that I speak good Spanish and we were very polite. Does anyone else experience this on the Camino? A few others I’ve met here in Santiago said the same. Could it have something to do with the fact that half a million people pass by their front doors every year? Lol. Or maybe it’s the holidays and they expect to be left alone this time of year. Maybe my expectations were too high. but I was a little surprised and disappointed by that.
I made one of those serious tactical errors that we all make once or twice in our lives.
@Tincatinker has neglected to clarify the time frame. His life has likely spanned several generations of Spanish history, and I suspect that this particular tactical error was made in times long past. So, I agree with @David Tallan that this "warning" is not something to worry about.For those thinking that this might be a warning to worry about,
I’ll accept the admonition. I should have put a date in that post. An autumn day in 1969 or perhaps 1970. More recent interactions with the Guardia have been much more amicable@Tincatinker has neglected to clarify the time frame. He life has likely spanned several generations of Spanish history, and I suspect that this particular tactical error was made in times long past. So, I agree with @David Tallan that this "warning" is not something to worry about.
I have had lovely heartwarming encounters, and normal ignoring, as I get at home walking down the street. I often wondered if it bothered these small town folks, after all they live in a remote place by choice. I always respect their privacy and will smile and greet them but keep my distance.we had a great time on the Camino Frances. We met some lovely people. But I was surprised at how many locals we met either completely ignored us or were outright rude despite the fact that I speak good Spanish and we were very polite. Does anyone else experience this on the Camino? A few others I’ve met here in Santiago said the same. Could it have something to do with the fact that half a million people pass by their front doors every year? Lol. Or maybe it’s the holidays and they expect to be left alone this time of year. Maybe my expectations were too high. but I was a little surprised and disappointed by that.
I would say that when it happens it's because they are done with the noise, the trash left behind by pilgrims and so on... they are also done with tourists (as you can see what happened in Barcelona in the past few days).we had a great time on the Camino Frances. We met some lovely people. But I was surprised at how many locals we met either completely ignored us or were outright rude despite the fact that I speak good Spanish and we were very polite. Does anyone else experience this on the Camino? A few others I’ve met here in Santiago said the same. Could it have something to do with the fact that half a million people pass by their front doors every year? Lol. Or maybe it’s the holidays and they expect to be left alone this time of year. Maybe my expectations were too high. but I was a little surprised and disappointed by that.
A sufficiency of Orujo and the deployment of “Tu madre debe haber sido muy hermosa / tu padre debe haber sido muy guapo.” has had interesting effect over the years
Of course. If you're genuinely nice to people they do tend to be nice back. You don't even need the orujo.the deployment of “Tu madre debe haber sido muy hermosa / tu padre debe haber sido muy guapo.” has had interesting effect over the years
Ok. So I adjusted my totally not PC quote to help me remember...During the day is "buenos dias" and " buenas tardes". I think that everybody says always " buenas". If you say " buenos" could be confusing.
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