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I would say there will be plenty of light shed on the topic once Andywild gets going...I'm pretty confident I will be walking the Portuguese route from Porto in mid April 2019. I have the Brierley guidebook and although I have not looked at it in depth yet, the maps look quite confusing with the three different routes often intertwined and confusing. The maps in his Frances guidebook seemed more straightforward.
Also, I've seen threads where people start on the coast, but eventually turn inward to the interior routes, but there seems to be differing opinions on the "best way" to do it, especially when some mention no arrows and busy traffic.
I think you are absolutely right, kirkie!I would say there will be plenty of light shed on the topic once Andywild gets going...
I've seen threads where people start on the coast, but eventually turn inland to the interior routes, but there seems to be differing opinions on the "best way" to do it, especially when some posters mention no arrows and/or busy traffic.
Is that a good thing? I can't help being such an inspiration to others.. I like to think I've started at least 15 people smoking in my time.. the Camino with roll ups . There may even be a book in it!!I would say there will be plenty of light shed on the topic once Andywild gets going...
I've seen threads where people start on the coast said:My plan is to walk CP from Porto to Compostela in May 2019 for 19 days, in which 3 days in Porto and 2 days in Compostela and 1 organized day trip to Finisterre and Muxia. (The actual days on CP would be 11, not including the day trip.)
I will walk roughly 21 km a day (a distance of a half-marathon). If a "stage" is longer than that, I will take a taxi/bus for the remaining distance.
The 1st day of walk will be on the Coastal route to Vila do Conde and stay there for a night, then take a taxi/bus to Acros on the Central route, and walk to Barcelos.
I have done both and found them very different yet similar. I recommend you fly into Lisbon what a beautiful city! We bused to Fatima and then I to Porto. You can do it in 2 weeks. Bon CaminhoCurrently considering the CP in about a year. I’m concerned though that the pilgrim routine (walk, wash, laundry, nap, done efficiently, sleep— repeat) will make it difficult to know we are in Portugal rather than anywhere else on Camino.
I’ve found on two camino’s so far that even at a walking pace it can start to feel like that old movie, “If it’s Tuesday it must be Belgium”.
Thoughts from those who’ve done both?
We’d have a max 2 weeks together to walk as a small family of 3 adults.
I haven't done the CP yet (although I start soon) and have only done the CF twice, so take this for what it is worth. Certainly, on the CF people have a tendency to forget the name of the village they are in or slept in last night. I expect it may be the same in Portugal. But no one is going to confuse Navarre with Castille or Castille with Galicia. By the same token, I think you will know that you are in Portugal, and not just because of the different language.Currently considering the CP in about a year. I’m concerned though that the pilgrim routine (walk, wash, laundry, nap, done efficiently, sleep— repeat) will make it difficult to know we are in Portugal rather than anywhere else on Camino.
I’ve found on two camino’s so far that even at a walking pace it can start to feel like that old movie, “If it’s Tuesday it must be Belgium”.
Thoughts from those who’ve done both?
We’d have a max 2 weeks together to walk as a small family of 3 adults.
Just entered Galicia yesterday . Came from Porto . Yes Portugal is absolutely beautiful , people are kind and helpful . Toilets did not smell not even in a crowded pub lol . Clean everywhere ...Arrows you will find and Albergues too . The only thing that is stressful for me ( I chose the Central way ) is the lack of room on the roads . Roads lack shoulder . Most of the road unless is a detour of sorts run between tall stone walls . Have no clue how villagers manage walking between the constantly fast zipping cars. Lots of stone paved roads. I felt lucky it wasn’t raining . Have no clue how do pilgrims manage to share the road in a downpour because you are almost brushing against stone walls in many places . Be super careful and you will be fine . Do not attempt in dark !I'm pretty confident I will be walking the Portuguese route from Porto in mid April 2019. I have the Brierley guidebook and although I have not looked at it in depth yet, the maps look quite confusing with three route options often intertwined, reminding me of a quilt or maze, crisscrossing every which way; very overwhelming.
The maps in his Frances guidebook were definately more straightforward. Is the Portuguese route busier? I do not mean with pilgrims, but with towns, highways, etc as the maps look very congested.
Also, I've seen threads where people start on the coast, but eventually turn inland to the interior routes, but there seems to be differing opinions on the "best way" to do it, especially when some posters mention no arrows and/or busy traffic.
Ah, that's what my friend JoJo calls "Pilgrim Brain" from the time she asked another pilgrim where had just come from and they actually looked back over their shoulder trying to remember.I haven't done the CP yet (although I start soon) and have only done the CF twice, so take this for what it is worth. Certainly, on the CF people have a tendency to forget the name of the village they are in or slept in last night. I expect it may be the same in Portugal. But no one is going to confuse Navarre with Castille or Castille with Galicia. By the same token, I think you will know that you are in Portugal, and not just because of the different language.
Very well putYou probably know all of this, but in case anyone else is confused:
The Central Camino is the traditional camino from Porto, chosen by over 60% of CP pilgrims. It goes inland through historical towns like Barcelos and Ponte de Lima.You can also take a detour to Braga. It's very congested getting out of Porto, and into/ out of the bigger towns, but you also pass through some nice countryside and traditional villages with lots of medieval architecture etc.
The "Costa" path runs close to the coast (not to be confused with the "Litoral" which literally goes on the beach or boardwalks, although they converge in many places). Some stretches of the Costa are quite built up, but you get to walk along the Atlantic and to experience Portuguese seafood and coastal culture. At some points you can choose to reconnect with the Central (for example at Vila do Conde there's an option to walk 10km to reach Arcos). Many Costa pilgrims walk until they reach the Minho River (border with Spain) and then head inland along the river to connect with the Central in Tui. Otherwise you can stay on the coast until Vigo (you'd have to cross the Minho by ferry).
From Tui you head north to Santiago. Once you reach Pontevedra, you can take a detour onto the "Variante Espiritual" which goes along the coast again. Takes longer, but very beautiful.
I have walked the Camino Frances and the Portugues from Porto. I found the differences between Spain and Portugal fascinating and the slow pace of walking gave me plenty of opportunity to observe them. I've never understood the argument that you should walk short days otherwise you do not have time to see the country you are passing through - I always keep my eyes open while I walk and on a good day I can even walk, chew gum and think at the same time ;-)
The road surfaces will assure you that you are in Portugal. 82% is hard surface with a great amount of 4x4, granite cobblestone.Currently considering the CP in about a year. I’m concerned though that the pilgrim routine (walk, wash, laundry, nap, done efficiently, sleep— repeat) will make it difficult to know we are in Portugal rather than anywhere else on Camino.
I’ve found on two camino’s so far that even at a walking pace it can start to feel like that old movie, “If it’s Tuesday it must be Belgium”.
Thoughts from those who’ve done both?
We’d have a max 2 weeks together to walk as a small family of 3 adults.
The only thing that is stressful for me ( I chose the Central way ) is the lack of room on the roads . Roads lack shoulder . Most of the road unless is a detour of sorts run between tall stone walls . Have no clue how villagers manage walking between the constantly fast zipping cars. Lots of stone paved roads.
You're welcome Chris! I had trouble also, deciding which route to do out of Porto. It is a real toss up, which is nicer, the Central or the Coastal. If you look at my photos, you can decide for yourself. We did the Coastal first, since we are from Colorado and like the change of the seaside. It is truly beautiful. Then we went back a year later and did the Central, this past spring. The history on this route is amazing, with tons of Roman bridges and roads to walk upon. Tui and Valenca are incredible as well. We did NOT get to the Variante Espiritu, but I suppose this is a reason to go back. We actually have the Interior Route planned in the Spring of 2019 with friends. Ha ha. A Portugues Camino addict I suppose.Hi Elle, I appreciate your comments and will definately look at your blog. I have the Brierley guide and unsure from Porto to take the central, costa, or senda litoral...lots of options. I won't be going until April so have lots of time to learn more before deciding. (We're adding in the Fisherman's route, too.)
Indeed, indeed! I need to check out the Le Puy Route. I still haven't done the Frances - it scares me! Too many people.I walked the Le Puy in June and it was fabulous, as well. And then there's Italy...and, and, and!
Happy travels!
I am planning to do the CP next spring and also have the Brierley guide. So many options it IS confusing.... check out the blog by Kay Davis followingthearrows.com. Scroll down & click on Camino Portugues. She has information about 3 “link routes” to go to/from/between the central & coastal routes. She also provides a bit more detailed info than Brierley. Hope this helps.Hi Elle, I appreciate your comments and will definately look at your blog. I have the Brierley guide and unsure from Porto to take the central, costa, or senda litoral...lots of options. I won't be going until April so have lots of time to learn more before deciding. (We're adding in the Fisherman's route, too.)
Currently considering the CP in about a year. I’m concerned though that the pilgrim routine (walk, wash, laundry, nap, done efficiently, sleep— repeat) will make it difficult to know we are in Portugal rather than anywhere else on Camino.
I’ve found on two camino’s so far that even at a walking pace it can start to feel like that old movie, “If it’s Tuesday it must be Belgium”.
Thoughts from those who’ve done both?
We’d have a max 2 weeks together to walk as a small family of 3 adults.
The albergue, pension and hotel experiences are similar. Language, food, culture are different. The terrain on the Portuguese is comparatively level except for one steep climb leading to Rubiaes (I hope I spelled that right) The scree covered mountain is one of the most challenging that you will face on the Frances, the Portuguese or the del Norte. If you want exact details contact Albertinho. He is most helpful and quite knowledgeable about the CPCurrently considering the CP in about a year. I’m concerned though that the pilgrim routine (walk, wash, laundry, nap, done efficiently, sleep— repeat) will make it difficult to know we are in Portugal rather than anywhere else on Camino.
I’ve found on two camino’s so far that even at a walking pace it can start to feel like that old movie, “If it’s Tuesday it must be Belgium”.
Thoughts from those who’ve done both?
We’d have a max 2 weeks together to walk as a small family of 3 adults.
Agree on Vigo but Pontevedra made up for it!I finished Baiona to Santiago on August 31st. Loved walking through the eucalyptus forests and vineyards, hated Vigo, and the entire thing was hotter than I expected, and I was prepared for warm weather. Very few peregrinos until I met up with the Central at Redondela, but I enjoyed the solitude.
I'm sitting in the Madrid airport after just completing the CP from Porto. Don't worry about the intertwined paths, everything is well waymarked. I've done the Coastal and the Senda Litoral. In either case just keep the sea on your left through Portugal and you can't get lost. If you go inland via Tui in Spain you still won't have any trouble. One alternate that is beautiful is to go from Camiñha in Portugal to Valenca and then cross into Spain. This path follows the river Minho and it's beautiful, well marked, and has plenty of services. You're going to love the differences in food and culture between the two countries, both with beautiful friendly people. Obviously I'm still in the post Camino nirvana come down stage, anxious to get home but basking in the extended afterglow of a fantastic trip. Go for it. Grab the adventure. Buen Camino.I'm pretty confident I will be walking the Portuguese route from Porto in mid April 2019. I have the Brierley guidebook and although I have not looked at it in depth yet, the maps look quite confusing with three route options often intertwined, reminding me of a quilt or maze, crisscrossing every which way; very overwhelming.
The maps in his Frances guidebook were definately more straightforward. Is the Portuguese route busier? I do not mean with pilgrims, but with towns, highways, etc as the maps look very congested.
Also, I've seen threads where people start on the coast, but eventually turn inland to the interior routes, but there seems to be differing opinions on the "best way" to do it, especially when some posters mention no arrows and/or busy traffic.
No. The cobblestones can be a bit tiresome but you can usually find soft ground off to the side. I very seldom felt like there was t room for me and a car. Just use normal cautions. Have a great time.Thank you so much, Paintboy! A very encouraging post. Was the roadwalking difficult (treacherous) in your opinion?
Currently considering the CP in about a year. I’m concerned though that the pilgrim routine (walk, wash, laundry, nap, done efficiently, sleep— repeat) will make it difficult to know we are in Portugal rather than anywhere else on Camino.
I’ve found on two camino’s so far that even at a walking pace it can start to feel like that old movie, “If it’s Tuesday it must be Belgium”.
Thoughts from those who’ve done both?
We’d have a max 2 weeks together to walk as a small family of 3 adults.
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