- Time of past OR future Camino
- Sept/Oct 2023
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I think that many of us have those feelings before our first (and sometimes second, third, fourth, etc. Caminos) It comes from a combination of things - fear, feeling that you are undeserving of this experience, etc. Perfectly normal feelings!So sweet comments. Thank you. I really want to do this but now that I have decided and discussed with family - I'm trying to undo it? Why once so sure am I now so unsure? Why do I feel selfish and guilty? Well this is all something to ponder
If my wife wants to do something, I encourage her to do it; whether I’m participating or not.As I go about planning my Camino I am beginning to feel selfish. When I add up the costs for this trip it seems self-indulgent. At the current exchange rate food & lodging will be about $2000 for 30 days. Airfare will be $1000 (economy and a 9 hr flight). Yes the money is available but should not it be spent on something we do together? My husband is not interested in a Camino and supports my wishes...but.... well, I just feel like it's just about me.
I don't think it's a matter of being "totally off base or wrong" @Bob Howard, just a different perspective. I walked the full CF in 2015 with my wife, and often we walked together, sometimes apart, and even if she was nearby or not so nearby there were many, many hours where I was well and truly "alone with my thoughts", which I valued (and still do) immensely. A couple of years later we walked the Portuguese with a group of friends, and that was a less enjoyable experience, in part because of complex group dynamics. In under 6 months we head off again for the full VDLP - just the two of us - so perhaps I should book-mark this commentary and come back to in in November and offer further commentary then.I may very well be totally off base or wrong about this, but when I talk (proselytize) to people about the Camino, I say to them (strictly my opinion) that the Camino, whether a pilgrimage with religious or spiritual implications or merely a contemplative walk, is best undertaken and enjoyed as a solitary experience. I have talked to Camino couples or groups of friends that told me they wouldn't have come for the walk if their husband/wife/friend(s) did not accompany them. And I get that many couples walk at different paces and might very well not see each other until the end of the day. But I think of the walk as one of the few times in life when you are truly alone with your thoughts and solely responsible for your own well-being for for an extended period of time, which is not to say, of course, that one would not have many and often meaningful conversations with fellow Pilgrims. So, yes, I suppose there is a self-absorbed aspect to it, but I wouldn't characterize it as selfish, irrespective of the cost. I am probably in the minority in this line of thinking this.
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Coming from NZ those costs are 3 fold, and I still dont feel guilty!As I go about planning my Camino I am beginning to feel selfish. When I add up the costs for this trip it seems self-indulgent. At the current exchange rate food & lodging will be about $2000 for 30 days. Airfare will be $1000 (economy and a 9 hr flight). Yes the money is available but should not it be spent on something we do together? My husband is not interested in a Camino and supports my wishes...but.... well, I just feel like it's just about me.
Don't give up on your dreams for someone else!It's okay for it to be about you! I think that it's very healthy for partners to have their own interests and passions.
Your Camino has started already. These thoughts and others will come and go as you prepare and walk. By the end you will understand.So sweet comments. Thank you. I really want to do this but now that I have decided and discussed with family - I'm trying to undo it? Why once so sure am I now so unsure? Why do I feel selfish and guilty? Well this is all something to ponder.
I do know from experience that I can get homesick when I'm away for a month or so and the homesickness can be quite painful.
And tiredness is creeping in - buenos noches pilgrims
I think is this circumstance - "self care" would be a better word than "selfish".I do not understand why "selfish" has such a bad reputation. Doing something together is something good.
Your post has been on my mind since I first read it a couple of days ago. I'd like to share one other thing...So much love and support! I am overwhelmed. Yes, I am feeling better about this today esp after reading your comments.
My most sincere sympathy dear DOver. This sort of circumstance crosses my mind frequently. I am so so sorry for your loss. I'm sure it was not easy for you to write this comment.Your post has been on my mind since I first read it a couple of days ago. I'd like to share one other thing...
A few years ago my wife and I went on a trip here in Australia, The Great Ocean Road. My wife loved to fly and there were these glider rides, which she had never done. I tried so hard to get her to do the ride... while I waited... she wouldn't because she didn't want me to wait... despite me telling her I wanted her to go.
Last year, I lost my wife to cancer. I had planned to surprise her with a glider ride here close at home, but she got too sick.
I'll always regret that I could never share that with her by supporting her from the ground.
If your husband tells you he WANTS you to go...believe him. And, don't deny either yourself or him the joy.
You just never know...
Thank you David. That is a good way to think about the situation.I think the guilt and the idea of selfishness may come from the mistaken idea that this is a one-way transaction with you taking and your husband is giving. Not so! You are giving, too. You are giving your husband the opportunity to be supportive. You are giving him the person you will be when you return.
The opportunity to be supportive sounds like a really backhanded gift. But it is not! There are lots and lots of studies that show we are happiest when we are being altruistic, when we are helping and supporting others. How much more so when the one we are helping and supporting is the one we love! Don't minimize the gift of this opportunity.
Oh! Of course! As it has been in the past!It's only selfish if one person stops another from doing what they want or forces them to do something they don't want. I guess it goes without saying that if Mr Marska fancies a little jaunt on his own or a new gizmo or whatever, the answer will be yes?
I am afraid to say that I do not see your problem...but then I CAN be an absolute idiot. (Just ask my bride of over 45 years...)As I go about planning my Camino I am beginning to feel selfish. When I add up the costs for this trip it seems self-indulgent. At the current exchange rate food & lodging will be about $2000 for 30 days. Airfare will be $1000 (economy and a 9 hr flight). Yes the money is available but should not it be spent on something we do together? My husband is not interested in a Camino and supports my wishes...but.... well, I just feel like it's just about me.
As I go about planning my Camino I am beginning to feel selfish. When I add up the costs for this trip it seems self-indulgent. At the current exchange rate food & lodging will be about $2000 for 30 days. Airfare will be $1000 (economy and a 9 hr flight). Yes the money is available but should not it be spent on something we do together? My husband is not interested in a Camino and supports my wishes...but.... well, I just feel like it's just about me.
This is one of my favorite Forum posts of all time. It distills what we all know--once you do it . . .FWIW, it might be worth it to press your husband a little bit. My wife wanted to do the Camino for her 50th birthday. I absolutely, positively did not want to join her. I saw no sense in flying half-way around the world to take a walk. I thought it was a complete waste of time and money. But I joined her because she kept asking.
That was our first Camino. I fell in love with the Camino and dragged her back for three more! Your mileage with your spouse may vary, but don't necessarily give up on him.
Maybe, but only if you really want to walk with him.it might be worth it to press your husband a little bit.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave....This is one of my favorite Forum post of all time. It distills what we all know--once you do it . . .
A gift. In so many ways. I also feel this way. This past Fall, I was surprised to find that I throughly enjoyed walking with a good friend in a heavily trafficked Camino. There was still awesome solitude. Sometimes similar to when you are in a crowded NYC subway and experience aloneness and also the diversity and oneness of this mass of humanity and all creation.I think Caminos are meant to be solitary, one of the few times in modern life you will get to be independent and alone with yourself.
I prefer my Caminos to be independent of others, whether I am always alone or not. However, I don't believe the Caminos are meant to be anything except how I choose to attribute meaning for myself.I think Caminos are meant to be solitary
Sorry, I did not intend to be argumentative. I was just taking a slightly different perspective, emphasizing that the meaning is mine, not the Camino's. I think we agree.As I said that is my opinion. I chose to add meaning by walking alone.
Interesting point. I guess ‘big picture’ it is selfish, financially, time wise, and environmentally assuming you are flying to do a Camino. We could use our time, money, etc more productively to help/be with others whether family or not, but we choose to not do this, and instead use resources for relatively meanlingless (in the big scheme of things) but nevertheless enjoyable walks across the land. But we are all selfish, you, me and everyone else on here. It’s just the way the world works and I am fine with it, maybe even thrive within this culture. It’s not something I really thisnk about tbh, whereas you and different and it’s troubling you. Best to acknowledge it and work with it or change direction in my view!As I go about planning my Camino I am beginning to feel selfish. When I add up the costs for this trip it seems self-indulgent. At the current exchange rate food & lodging will be about $2000 for 30 days. Airfare will be $1000 (economy and a 9 hr flight). Yes the money is available but should not it be spent on something we do together? My husband is not interested in a Camino and supports my wishes...but.... well, I just feel like it's just about me.
If you are in the minority, Mr Howard, I am with you!I may very well be totally off base or wrong about this, but when I talk (proselytize) to people about the Camino, I say to them (strictly my opinion) that the Camino, whether a pilgrimage with religious or spiritual implications or merely a contemplative walk, is best undertaken and enjoyed as a solitary experience. I have talked to Camino couples or groups of friends that told me they wouldn't have come for the walk if their husband/wife/friend(s) did not accompany them. And I get that many couples walk at different paces and might very well not see each other until the end of the day. But I think of the walk as one of the few times in life when you are truly alone with your thoughts and solely responsible for your own well-being for for an extended period of time, which is not to say, of course, that one would not have many and often meaningful conversations with fellow Pilgrims. So, yes, I suppose there is a self-absorbed aspect to it, but I wouldn't characterize it as selfish, irrespective of the cost. I am probably in the minority in this line of thinking this.
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I have walked alone and with my son. Each has it's benefits. I didn't find that sharing the experience with my son diluted the experience. In fact, it added something wonderful. I expect sharing it with my wife would also be wonderful. There is something extra about sharing an important experience with someone you love. That's just my personal opinion, though, and your mileage may vary.I cannot but think that those who walk as couples or groups lose something of the element of the thing. That is my personal opinion and I do not expect everyone to think the same as me. I think Caminos are meant to be solitary, one of the few times in modern life you will get to be independent and alone with yourself. Why would you choose to dilute this?
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