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alexwalker

Forever Pilgrim
Time of past OR future Camino
2009-2022: CFx6, CP, VdlPx2, Mozarabe, more later.
I just stumbled upon and article on www.gronze.com (Thanks, @peregrina2000 ) that may help/get insight for new as well as experienced pilgrims:


Use Google Translate/Chrome browser to read it in your own language.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
For those who struggle with translation thingamigiggies here is the Googlish.



It seems proven that very reflective people or people with high intellectual abilities tend to experience more existential crises than the rest of us; but it is not exclusive to people with these characteristics.

All people can experience an existential crisis at some point in their lives.
We should not think that existential crises are minor things, since deep emotional anguish, having negative thoughts about life, the future, and the meaning of existence itself can sometimes lead to depression if not faced correctly.
The common characteristics of depressive disorders is the presence of a sad, empty or irritable mood, accompanied by somatic and cognitive changes that significantly affect the person's normal functioning.
And within depressive disorders we can find different types, the best known to everyone is perhaps major depressive disorder, but there are others such as disruptive mood dysregulation disorder or persistent depressive disorder commonly called "dysthymia."
But we are not going to talk about depressive disorders, but about the importance of managing existential crises so that they do not lead to depression and are a reason for positive self-discovery. As? Well, doing the Camino de Santiago. But doing it without pre-established commitments, doing it on your own, doing it as learning and with an attitude of openness to experience.
First of all, to face an existential crisis, you must give yourself permission to feel that sadness, anxiety, confusion or that feeling of emptiness or any other emotion or sensation that accompanies you.
All emotions have their function. Sometimes, we have the tendency to try to radically eliminate from ourselves everything that we dislike, and that, dear pilgrims, is not possible. We are human beings and we suffer.
Let's keep in mind that the basic emotions are joy, sadness, fear, surprise, anger and disgust. Except for joy and sometimes surprise... we don't like the rest so much. But some are as necessary as others. And if we try to get rid of them, the only thing we are going to achieve is that they appear in another way or manifest themselves in another part of the body, causing us harm.
When you are happy, you laugh or smile. And when you are sad, you cry.
Sharing the feelings of the existential crisis with trusted people helps a lot. And if it is on the Camino de Santiago with pilgrims willing to listen, it helps more.
Sharing helps us to draw from within, to put distance; and, furthermore, it helps us feel a little better. If these sensations are shared with pilgrims willing to listen to us, perhaps we will begin to find some meaning in life: sharing.
We are social beings (some more than others) and sharing our things makes us more human, brings us closer to who we are.
If we have an existential crisis and we choose the Camino de Santiago as an ideal context to find a Camino in life, perhaps it can help us.
Day by day, step by step, alone or in company, perhaps we are realizing that the meaning of life is to walk, without further ado. Oops, did I say this?
When we have been walking for several days we usually enter a different psychological dimension, a frequency of improvement and well-being that makes us see our problems from a certain distance. We learn to value the pleasure of a shower, a meal or a restful rest in a hostel bunk after a hard stage.
Our daily problems become others: basic needs (eating, drinking and sleeping; and of course: walking).
With this we achieve greater psychological flexibility, we realize that those thoughts linked to our existential crisis that we had running through our heads daily, now have a lighter dimension. Because now what we need is to know that we have access to food to feed ourselves or shelter to rest.
If we also hurt ourselves, get a blister, start to get tendinitis or something similar, surely our attention will go to the pain and we will forget about the other ruminative thoughts that continually asked us what the meaning of our life was.
We will still not know what the meaning of our life is, but we will have a blister that will be warning us that the meaning of life in those moments lies in our feet and in the way we can continue walking without pain.
Let's not forget spirituality. There are atheist people who have existential crises and there are spiritual people who have existential crises. The Camino de Santiago is a perfect context to connect with that spirituality and find answers to our most philosophical questions.

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Pilgrims admiring the sunset in Fondebadón (French Way).

Pilgrims admiring the sunset in Fondebadón (French Way).
You can be an atheist and also have mystical experiences. I tell you. Mystical experiences are directly related to brain neurobiology, it is not necessary to believe in any god or something similar.
Whether you are a believer or an atheist, walking day after day in solitude along some Camino de Santiago with an attitude open to discovering about yourself and the environment, disconnecting as much as possible from the digital context and the news of the world, it can help you have a mystical experience. that invites you to perceive life in another way; thus helping you face the existential crisis from a different perspective.
Neuroscience continues to investigate transcendental experiences and it has been seen in the laboratory that, by stimulating some areas of the brain, mystical experiences can be achieved. That's why we know that they are not related to beliefs, but to brain neurobiology. In any case, there is much left to find out about it. And I am not going to comment on the real function of mystical experiences, because I do not know if they have a function in themselves or not. What is certain is that we can take advantage of them for self-knowledge if we are open to learning.
The connection with nature that we have on the Camino de Santiago, the connection with other people, or the number of symbols that we can find, are three other factors that help us manage an existential crisis.
We have already talked on multiple occasions about walking through natural environments:
  • reduces the activity of the amygdala (the brain structure closely related to fear and anxiety).
  • Cortisol (the stress hormone) levels are optimized.
  • Being in contact with natural morning light outdoors, we promote correct levels of vitamin D and serotonin (the neurotransmitter of happiness).
  • dopamine is the neurotransmitter of pleasure and movement (among other things); walking is movement; and walking, what they say walking, we walk a lot.
  • Have I ever described to you what phytoncides do to us? Don't accuse me of using weirder words every day! Phytoncides are chemicals released by plants, and some research suggests that exposure to phytoncides can reduce stress and improve mood. On the Camino de Santiago we go through rural environments many times: full doses of phytoncides daily.
So, even if we focus only on biology, we already have reasons to realize that walking day after day in a safe context such as the Camino de Santiago, helps us feel better and shed light on our existence.
If we are also spiritual or mystical, we have that plus.
And if we also believe in the Camino de Santiago as an ideal context to be happier... you know: if you are going through an existential crisis, go and grab your backpack now!
Good way.
 
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So ‘going for a walk makes you feel better’?

I doubt that opinion will get much opposition on here.

"Solvitur ambulando", not really a new concept, true.

As someone with chronic depression, I have to say though, that there definitely is a huge difference for me between a nice walk in my area and a long distance walk on the Camino de Santiago. Both is walking outside in nature, but it is not the same, and it does not have the same effect on my depression.

So, it's not just "going for a walk" for me.

I often get told "but you can go hiking at home, too".

Yes I can, and it helps somewhat. But it's far from being the same.

It's like comparing drifting in a pool on an inflatable mattress to sailing the oceans around the world with a sailing yacht. Both are on a swimming device in the water, and both is probably nice in their own way, but they are still two completely different things.

For me it is the mix of long distance, the "vibe" on the way, being outside walking all day for weeks, and the kind of people I meet while walking, that is perfect (for me!) on the Camino.

I haven't found that yet on my walks at home. I enjoy them, but it is not the same.

Going for shorter walks at home I feel better while walking. Walking a Camino, I feel better for months afterwards.

Walking the Camino saved my life. Going for a walk at home definitely didn't.

For others of course the experience might be completely different. Some thrive on routes where they don't meet anyone. Some get the effect I get after six weeks of walking after three days. For some, a daily twenty minutes walk around the house might be enough.

I guess all I wanted to say is, I can relate to that Gronze article. Thanks for sharing.
 
So ‘going for a walk makes you feel better’?

I doubt that opinion will get much opposition on here.
Does anyone have thoughts on all terrain rollators? My " walking days " are over due to incurable balance problem, and I NEED TO FIND WAYS ROUND IT!
Would-be comedians kindly leave your witticisms elsewhere!

Samarkand.
 
"Solvitur ambulando", not really a new concept, true.

As someone with chronic depression, I have to say though, that there definitely is a huge difference for me between a nice walk in my area and a long distance walk on the Camino de Santiago. Both is walking outside in nature, but it is not the same, and it does not have the same effect on my depression.

So, it's not just "going for a walk" for me.

I often get told "but you can go hiking at home, too".

Yes I can, and it helps somewhat. But it's far from being the same.

It's like comparing drifting in a pool on an inflatable mattress to sailing the oceans around the world with a sailing yacht. Both are on a swimming device in the water, and both is probably nice in their own way, but they are still two completely different things.

For me it is the mix of long distance, the "vibe" on the way, being outside walking all day for weeks, and the kind of people I meet while walking, that is perfect (for me!) on the Camino.

I haven't found that yet on my walks at home. I enjoy them, but it is not the same.

Going for shorter walks at home I feel better while walking. Walking a Camino, I feel better for months afterwards.

Walking the Camino saved my life. Going for a walk at home definitely didn't.

For others of course the experience might be completely different. Some thrive on routes where they don't meet anyone. Some get the effect I get after six weeks of walking after three days. For some, a daily twenty minutes walk around the house might be enough.

I guess all I wanted to say is, I can relate to that Gronze article. Thanks for sharing.
I totally get this. It's the duration as well as the change of scenery, and perhaps perceived distance from the worries and stressors of home. I think the duration is especially important because this gives you some space from the thought that it is only temporary (at least until the home stretch!). And of course the Camino attracts a certain percentage of like minded people, who become more open as they walk which can help you feel less alone with the things that worry you at home - because we are all similar. At home the majority of people simply pretend they are ok as a way of coping.

My Camino was the most free and ok I'd felt for a long time, but it does tend to taper off once home and back amongst the things that came before. But, I think this is where you then realise after the initial disappointment that this is just an ongoing Camino lesson, a lesson that it is naïve (certainly on my part) to expect to come back and carry on as normal but still be forever changed. I think probably the Camino is never done with you in that respect.
 
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I just stumbled upon and article on www.gronze.com (Thanks, @peregrina2000 ) that may help/get insight for new as well as experienced pilgrims:


Use Google Translate/Chrome browser to read it in your own language.
Thanks to Alex and Laurie for this. I really liked this article so much. It encapsulates the benefits of walking and also the how the Camino exponentially magnifies these benefits. I have a group of dear friends who I love that I went to college with . We have been close for over 50 years. We just buried our first brother a few weeks ago. Before his diagnosis 3 years ago you would have thought he would have lived until 100.
At my age and in my retirement, yes we have all the time in the world but in reality we have very little time. So it is time regardless of age to find peace and happiness.
One of my brothers walked in 2017 on the CP with me after the loss of a child. He knows he needs to go again. I am waiting for him and all of my brothers to say they are ready. They all say if they walk they want to go with me. I am ready to walk any camino at any time whenever they say let's go. Maybe this article will help just a little.
Once again Alex, thank you my friend.
 
So ‘going for a walk makes you feel better’?

I doubt that opinion will get much opposition on here.
I. agree you may not get much pushback from the forum. As I wrote before previously, (before I saw your comment) that I sent this article to my dearest friends. It may not change many attitudes here but it can't hurt to help spread the wealth of the joys of walking a camino.
 
I totally get this. It's the duration as well as the change of scenery, and perhaps perceived distance from the worries and stressors of home. I think the duration is especially important because this gives you some space from the thought that it is only temporary (at least until the home stretch!). And of course the Camino attracts a certain percentage of like minded people, who become more open as they walk which can help you feel less alone with the things that worry you at home - because we are all similar. At home the majority of people simply pretend they are ok as a way of coping.

My Camino was the most free and ok I'd felt for a long time, but it does tend to taper off once home and back amongst the things that came before. But, I think this is where you then realise after the initial disappointment that this is just an ongoing Camino lesson, a lesson that it is naïve (certainly on my part) to expect to come back and carry on as normal but still be forever changed. I think probably the Camino is never done with you in that respect.
I have struggled with coming home and trying to live the life we lead on camino in "real life". That is until I realized that for me, "real life" is the camino and the spirit of joy and contentment I have on the camino is one of the prime motivations for me to go every year. I have given up trying to merge the two lives into one. It is almost draining for me. Instead I just live in the duality of both lives and with my most intimate loved ones I can share the love and longing I have to get back to my "real life" on the camino.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
This is very well written.

I particularly like : Pero haciéndolo sin compromisos preestablecidos, haciéndolo por tu cuenta, haciéndolo como aprendizaje y con actitud de apertura a la experiencia.

This too : Compartir las sensaciones de la crisis existencial con personas de confianza ayuda mucho. Y si es en el Camino de Santiago con peregrinos dispuestos a escuchar, ayuda más.

This is a really great piece, thank you for sharing it !!

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Although this is dubious from the author not really being a mystic herself : La neurociencia sigue investigando sobre las experiencias trascendentales y se ha visto en laboratorio que, estimulando algunas zonas del cerebro, se pueden conseguir experiencias místicas. Por eso sabemos que no están relacionadas con las creencias, sino con la neurobiología cerebral.

If it's in a lab, then it's by definition immanent and not transcendental.
 
"Solvitur ambulando", not really a new concept, true.

As someone with chronic depression, I have to say though, that there definitely is a huge difference for me between a nice walk in my area and a long distance walk on the Camino de Santiago. Both is walking outside in nature, but it is not the same, and it does not have the same effect on my depression.
Same.
 
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Does anyone have thoughts on all terrain rollators? My " walking days " are over due to incurable balance problem, and I NEED TO FIND WAYS ROUND IT!
Would-be comedians kindly leave your witticisms elsewhere!

Samarkand.
I took to cycling when my knees decided not to cooperate with walking. Then one decided it didn't like being put on the ground with anything less than tender and gentle loving care. Fine for riding, hated stopping. So all stops needed very careful planning as I couldn't retrain my brain to use the other side leg. My solution is a trike. Not a granny upright thing, no way! A stylish and sporty recumbent, thank you. Only snag was hills, which I cured by getting one with electric assist. There are various makes, some delta (one wheel at the front, two at the back) the others two at the front, which tend to be more reclined and somewhat better at fast cornering. The deltas are probably easier to get in and out of. All will carry a decent amount of kit or tow a trailer. They are most of them good on tracks (with the right tyres) but not in mud. About the same as a gravel bike
None of them are particularly cheap but if it means I can continue riding it's worth it for me. I can give you some addresses of specialist suppliers who will let you have a decent long ride to see what suits you.
Do try more than one if you decide it's for you. Otherwise, I can give you my husband's old rollator which is not too bad on tracks, but I'm in France. You can come and have a go on my trike if you want and aren't too tall ( mine is fitted to me and not very adjustable)
 
Absolutely,
The Carbon Overland all terrain rollator.
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For just under €700,00
I just purchased the Carbon Overland, after using the Ultralight for a few years inside and a competitor’s much heavier all-terrain rollator outside. Have you used the Overland on the Camino? I walked part of the St Francis from Saint-Jean-Piet-de-Port with poles several years ago, and then did some hikes elsewhere with forearm crutches, but I now have to use a rollator all the time. I want to walk another part of the Camino before I progress to wheelchair and am trying to determine what/where is doable.
 
I just purchased the Carbon Overland, after using the Ultralight for a few years inside and a competitor’s much heavier all-terrain rollator outside. Have you used the Overland on the Camino? I walked part of the St Francis from Saint-Jean-Piet-de-Port with poles several years ago, and then did some hikes elsewhere with forearm crutches, but I now have to use a rollator all the time. I want to walk another part of the Camino before I progress to wheelchair and am trying to determine what/where is doable.
Thank you for any guidance you can provide!!
 
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I'm sorry but I can't help further without guessing, as I'm not exactly in your situation. I can say that the municipal pilgrim accommodation will normally be as helpful as possible with adapted accommodation. I think you will need to find a rollator that works where you live, then just start where you can, then accept that sometimes you will need help, whether it is bag transport, bus, taxi, other pilgrims, whatever. Don't be afraid to ask for help. It makes the helpers feel good, too. Be mega flexible with your times and the places you stay. Buen Camino!
 
I’m not sure if you were replying to me or the original poster, Barbara, but thank you! I have a degenerative brain disease that causes several issues, including balance. I am still relatively fit, though having to adjust to each stage of progression. I will use bag transport and book accommodations ahead due to my situation, but I want to navigate the path myself somehow. I’ve looked at other possible adventures, but my PT nixed some. She likes my idea of returning to the Camino, if I always use rollator and possibly some protective padding, as some falls are almost inevitable.
 
Hi CalSue. Yes, that was for both of you. Trikes and rollators are great for balance issues but you would need to sometimes use roads rather than the more difficult tracks. Cicerone do a bike guide to the Frances which gives advice on which tracks are feasible for road bikes, which need much the same sort of surface. I suspect people would be likely to help and also give advice for the next days best route. As to which rollator I think you will need to try several, there are specialists in this sort of equipment though you may need to travel to find one. My husband had three different ones as his problems progressed. For accommodation, you don't really need to book in advance as you will get priority. I do appreciate it would be a worry if you need completely flat access. The only snag would be getting your bags delivered if you use the munis although as you have a very good reason for using bag transport it may still be possible. You are more likely to find accessible accommodation in the municipal albergues than in private ones. Many small hotels are not at all accessible. Steep stairs, no lift, several floors with two rooms per floor in towns. I think a good study of Gronze and the Cicerone guide before you leave would be a good idea.
Are you planning on doing this solo? If not, and you have several travel companions you could probably sort out your bag between yourselves.
Which bit of Camino did you have in mind? Obviously some parts are harder than others, but this is where taxis and buses can be useful. Best wishes for your plans and your Camino!
 
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Hi CalSue. Yes, that was for both of you. Trikes and rollators are great for balance issues but you would need to sometimes use roads rather than the more difficult tracks. Cicerone do a bike guide to the Frances which gives advice on which tracks are feasible for road bikes, which need much the same sort of surface. I suspect people would be likely to help and also give advice for the next days best route. As to which rollator I think you will need to try several, there are specialists in this sort of equipment though you may need to travel to find one. My husband had three different ones as his problems progressed. For accommodation, you don't really need to book in advance as you will get priority. I do appreciate it would be a worry if you need completely flat access. The only snag would be getting your bags delivered if you use the munis although as you have a very good reason for using bag transport it may still be possible. You are more likely to find accessible accommodation in the municipal albergues than in private ones. Many small hotels are not at all accessible. Steep stairs, no lift, several floors with two rooms per floor in towns. I think a good study of Gronze and the Cicerone guide before you leave would be a good idea.
Are you planning on doing this solo? If not, and you have several travel companions you could probably sort out your bag between yourselves.
Which bit of Camino did you have in mind? Obviously some parts are harder than others, but this is where taxis and buses can be useful. Best wishes for your plans and your Camino!
Thank you so much for this thoughtful and helpful reply. I may write a separate post later, after I sort things out a bit and have a better idea what I physically can do. Thank you again!
 
Does anyone have thoughts on all terrain rollators? My " walking days " are over due to incurable balance problem, and I NEED TO FIND WAYS ROUND IT!
Would-be comedians kindly leave your witticisms elsewhere!

Samarkand.
I saw a YouTube viewing suggestion this morning about a tricycle looking device. I decided to watch it for its design aspects. I then realized that you may be interested in this. It is called an Alinker.

There is even a forum thread about using one on the Camino. You may want to watch the short video I saw first though (below).

YouTube video id: SKtDiBiXcdo
 

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