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I do not expect them to speak English, but I hope they do! Foreign languages do not come easily to some people, particularly late in life. I have always been great at math, and could not understand how others could be befuddled with something that was intuitively obvious. I suppose that translates into an unrealistic expectation that everybody should be good in math. I hope I am not condescending to those who think they are bad at math. That would be terribly unfair of me.somehow english speakers have an unrealistic expectation that everybody...
Sorry ... don't agree! I am totally tone deaf (something that I have always regretted, because there is no way that I could even attempt to sing in public), however, I speak fluently Spanish and Italian, passable French and Dutch, enough German to "get by" and some Arabic too. That's apart from English which is my mother tongue. Apart from appalling school French, I have learnt all my languages as an adult. In my case, I have always been extremely interested in languages and communication, however it helped that I followed my hotelier husband around the world and learnt the local language wherever we lived. Annelynnejohn said:My husband has a theory that a musical ear helps with learning languages. He absolutely cannot learn languages and is tone deaf.
What do others think of this theory?
sillydoll said:....and No.6 - Don't choose a bed close to the bathroom, its always the noisiest!!
lynnejohn said:There are all kinds of theories regarding literacy and numeracy levels and the ability to learn languages. My husband has a theory that a musical ear helps with learning languages. He absolutely cannot learn languages and is tone deaf.
What do others think of this theory?
L
CA_Pilgrim said:I am very fortunate that I live in an area with very similar weather and topagraphy to the Camino (at least from what I can figure out by photos and reading).
Well, there are a few exceptions:methodist.pilgrim.98 said:falcoln 269 has some Great Advice. If you pack it because you might need it, you don't.
2. EVERYBODY HURTS. SOMETIMES.
[/quote]4. LEARN SPANISH.
glennb said:A common mistake is to carry duplicative clothing. You don't need two pairs of pants.
tyrrek said:All excellent advice. I'd emphasise easy-to-dry clothes, especially trousers/shorts that will easily dry overnight.
On language, I felt quite sorry for non-English speakers who used English hoping it would be understood as a universal or 'neutral' language. Although they were making an effort to communicate in another language, on a couple of occasions I saw them treated quite rudely. Maybe their effort isn't always recognised by the person in the cafe/shop etc.
The simile is exaggerated, but you may have 120 roommates! You will NEVER have a private room, but in quieter times of the year, you may be alone in a dormitory.i just read a post concerning alberques that some/many were like homeless shelters?
Gailsie said:One piece of advice that I used during my camino was to turn around once in awhile to see where you have been.
texastrekker said:I just read a post concerning alberques that some/many were like homeless shelters??????
That is a very gracious thing to say, but it is at variance with my experience and the facts! There are very few in rural France that speak anything but French. You will have a difficult time finding a Spaniard who speaks anything but Spanish. Even the school children out on the pilgrimage will know only a little bit of written English or other European language. Pilgrims, particularly from Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, and the Netherlands, often speak several languages, from which the conclusion can be reached that all of Europe speaks lots of languages. Great Britain is in Europe, and the pilgrims I have encountered who are more language impaired than I, were all from Great Britain!Those of you who live in Europe do much better speaking multiple languages than Americans.
falcon269 said:That is a very gracious thing to say, but it is at variance with my experience and the facts! There are very few in rural France that speak anything but French. You will have a difficult time finding a Spaniard who speaks anything but Spanish. Even the school children out on the pilgrimage will know only a little bit of written English or other European language. Pilgrims, particularly from Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, and the Netherlands, often speak several languages, from which the conclusion can be reached that all of Europe speaks lots of languages. Great Britain is in Europe, and the pilgrims I have encountered who are more language impaired than I, were all from Great Britain!Those of you who live in Europe do much better speaking multiple languages than Americans.
Pilgrims should expect to navigate in Spanish. If you can find a multi-lingual European for a translator, you will be very grateful. But all your English conversations will be with fellow pilgrims who speak English. Do not expect anyone in Spain to converse in English.
rubyslippers said:I'm told by my good friends from Scotland that it is not always easy to understand the different kinds of English you hear spoken here in America. :lol:
Probably easier than the different kinds of English you hear spoken in Scotland! (I say that as a Scot myself.)rubyslippers said:I'm told by my good friends from Scotland that it is not always easy to understand the different kinds of English you hear spoken here in America. :lol:
From my experience, some of the more 'mature walkers' seemed to turn into kids again! I met quite a few people who had just retired or sold up their business and they seemed to regress to childhood! Swiss people were particularly afflicted. Be prepared! :lol: Buen Camino!Melbrob said:Any special advice for the mature walker?
Rob @ Melbourne
JohnnieWalker said:Anyway () the five tips are excellent!
Hi Rob,Melbrob said:Douglas,
Any special advice for the mature walker?
Rob @ Melbourne
Not too much I hope Cecile- I end up sneezing with the smell of lavender oil!cecilie@thewolery said:Hello, My top tip would be LAVENDER essential oil. I used it a lot last time, and shared it of course. XX c
KiwiNomad06 said:Recently I came across this quote which I think provides an excellent Camino tip for all of us- newbies and oldies: " In the confrontation between the stream and the rock, the stream always wins - not by strength but by perseverance."~ Bear Grylls
lynnejohn said:There are all kinds of theories regarding literacy and numeracy levels and the ability to learn languages. My husband has a theory that a musical ear helps with learning languages. He absolutely cannot learn languages and is tone deaf.
What do others think of this theory?
Researchers are not unanimous on the answer. Perhaps the easiest way to learn a language is to sing it rather than speak it! It seems to work for opera singers..
http://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=& ... &q&f=false
My apologies for veering slightly off topic, but the ability to learn Spanish often arises here and I find the theories fascinating.
L
If you want to use "Mexican Spanish" the best province to visit would be Asturias. Along the north coast of Spain are lots of examples of Los Casas de Los Indianos. These were built by those who emigrated to South America, made their money and came back home! Our "Castillano" was learnt in Argentina and is very similar to the usual language along the Camino del Norte! We have never had our pronunciation scorned or made fun of. We had to learn a few new words - "zumo" for example, but that is from the Arabic anyway.tyrrek said:I didn't really notice much difference between the attitude of people in different regions of Spain. I think it depends more on the individual you encounter. I've heard stories about people in Catalonia particularly being treated rudely for speaking Castillian, but they tend to be Spanish. Any effort by foreigners to speak either Castillian or the regional language tends to be appreciated.
Just completed the Camino Frances and thought to share five key insights from my Camino experience with the novice pilgrims:
1. TRAVEL VERY LIGHT. It's better to have less than more; if you'll miss something, you can really buy everything on the way. Every extra gram your are taking, you will carry on your back for about 200 hours of walking. This forum include some very good packing lists so just make sure you are carrying no more than 6-7 kg (to this you'll have to add food and water on the way).
2. EVERYBODY HURTS. SOMETIMES. Be prepared that in one stage or another you are going to experience some serious pains in your legs and might need to slow down or even rest for a day or two. The accumulated distance has its impact and after about 10 days many discover pains in places they didn't know exist. Just except this and try not to worry too much when it happens.
3. IT GET'S COLD. I started the camino in mid-July and used my fleece jacket quite a lot along the way, and also had about 6 days of rain out of my 30 days on the road (but never used my rain coat...). Overall, I spent more time with a long sleeve shirt than with a T-shirt.
4. LEARN SPANISH. Most people you'll meet on the way, both locals and pilgrims, are Spanish (or Italians...) with practically no English. If you want to make friends and communicate your way around, I would recommend some basic Spanish lessons or just to spend 30 days with an audio CD for basic Spanish skills.
5. DON'T PANIC. The camino has been walked by thousands of people for thousands of years. you can do it as well. it's (almost) idiot's proof. Don't spend so much time thinking about it and just come along. It is an experience of lifetime. Enjoy.
Buen Camino everybody!!!
I am not sure it was written at the time you walked! You are prepared for your next one, though.wish I had read it ahead of time
That is a great idea...Ivar, go for itExcellent advice all round, thank you. I think the postings for this subject would make a great book - the collective wisdom of I wonder how many thousands of kilometers of walking the Camino!
Buen Camino y hasta luego!
Hi Rob,
My best advice after trusting what you know about your own body for decisions about shoes/boots, clothes etc. is just to take it easy and enjoy the experience as it comes. You've given yourself lots of time so take it. Don't get caught up in the rush for beds. Don't hurry to keep up with a new friend. There will be many faster than you and some slower. Honour your own pace. Stop and take your boots off two or three times a day and catnap if you feel like it.
And I agree with others above - learn a few words of Spanish - if only hello, please and thank you.
The camino is not like climbing Mt. Everest (not that I've done that!). The camino is about endurance. At our age (I've walked 4 caminos in my 60's) we take it slowly - walk like the proverbial turtle- but we make it because we've learned to keep on keeping on. From now until you leave keep building that endurance but don't wear yourself out.
It is truly glorious to give this gift to yourself! Buen camino.
Just completed the Camino Frances and thought to share five key insights from my Camino experience with the novice pilgrims:
1. TRAVEL VERY LIGHT. It's better to have less than more; if you'll miss something, you can really buy everything on the way. Every extra gram your are taking, you will carry on your back for about 200 hours of walking. This forum include some very good packing lists so just make sure you are carrying no more than 6-7 kg (to this you'll have to add food and water on the way).
2. EVERYBODY HURTS. SOMETIMES. Be prepared that in one stage or another you are going to experience some serious pains in your legs and might need to slow down or even rest for a day or two. The accumulated distance has its impact and after about 10 days many discover pains in places they didn't know exist. Just except this and try not to worry too much when it happens.
3. IT GET'S COLD. I started the camino in mid-July and used my fleece jacket quite a lot along the way, and also had about 6 days of rain out of my 30 days on the road (but never used my rain coat...). Overall, I spent more time with a long sleeve shirt than with a T-shirt.
4. LEARN SPANISH. Most people you'll meet on the way, both locals and pilgrims, are Spanish (or Italians...) with practically no English. If you want to make friends and communicate your way around, I would recommend some basic Spanish lessons or just to spend 30 days with an audio CD for basic Spanish skills.
5. DON'T PANIC. The camino has been walked by thousands of people for thousands of years. you can do it as well. it's (almost) idiot's proof. Don't spend so much time thinking about it and just come along. It is an experience of lifetime. Enjoy.
Buen Camino everybody!!!
Ooh, I'd like to pack Bear Grylls in my pack! Now he would come in handy ;-)Recently I came across this quote which I think provides an excellent Camino tip for all of us- newbies and oldies: " In the confrontation between the stream and the rock, the stream always wins - not by strength but by perseverance."~ Bear Grylls
I think 'perseverance' and its companion 'determination' are key things to bring along to the Camino- and they weigh nothing at all in the backpack! Margaret
Not only do you see how much you have walked, sometimes you see things you can't see while going forward. There were a couple of times we turned around and saw things that had been hidden by trees in our forward sightline!!One piece of advice that I used during my camino was to turn around once in awhile to see where you have been. It seemed so many times that I thought that I still had so many more kms to go. But when I turned around, I could see that I really had walked a good ways already. Also the view behind me was often spectacular. It also makes you slow down and take in your surroundings.
Surprised to hear you were cold on a Mid July camino? Everybody say's how hot it is then. I'm leaving 10 July 2014... have a lightweight fleece and a wind breaker...hope that's enough. I HATE being cold, hence why I moved to Thailand!
Surprised to hear you were cold on a Mid July camino? Everybody say's how hot it is then. I'm leaving 10 July 2014... have a lightweight fleece and a wind breaker...hope that's enough. I HATE being cold, hence why I moved to Thailand!
For those who have not yet purchased a pack....
Do not get a bigger pack than you need.
I do not expect them to speak English, but I hope they do! Foreign languages do not come easily to some people, particularly late in life. I have always been great at math, and could not understand how others could be befuddled with something that was intuitively obvious. I suppose that translates into an unrealistic expectation that everybody should be good in math. I hope I am not condescending to those who think they are bad at math. That would be terribly unfair of me.
That's probably because English is a business language, and many countries require kids to learn English as a second language in school. Right or wrong, it's not really that unrealistic of an expectation to think that people who cater to tourists for a living will know some English.I have noticed that pilgrims who speak nearly all other languages DO NOt expect the spaniards of Northern Spain to speak their language, but somehow english speakers have an unrealistic expectation that everybody in the world should go to the bother of learning some english to accommodate them on their travels.
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