Andrea Mayfield
it's about the journey.....
- Time of past OR future Camino
- Camino Frances (May 2015)
Camino Portugues - Porto to Santiago (June 2018)
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Andrea -- I picked up a set of Pace Maker Flip Lock Poles - got them for about $50.00 on Amazon. They collapse down to 24 inches, they are a bit heavier than 11 oz, but so far that has not been an issue for me. They come with a variety of different rubber tips (the knobby tip is probably the best one to use, based on reviews I have read), cork handles, easy to adjust the height. To save some space in my pack, I also have wrapped 100 mph tape (duck tape) around the poles along with some heavy duty cord. I went with the Pace Makers based on reading/seeing some written reviews and YouTube, so far they work great -- best of luck to you.I have been looking for lightweight yet relatively inexpensive poles. The Fisan Compact Superlight Trekking Poles look interesting and I've found several positive reviews. They are 3 part poles of 7001 grade aluminium with foam handles. Collapsed length is 24in (closer to 20in broken down) with a weight of 11 oz for the pair and cost around $90 USD.
Does anyone have any experience with these or a recommendation?
Thanks so much.
I know nothing of those poles but I'd make a couple comments.I have been looking for lightweight yet relatively inexpensive poles. The Fisan Compact Superlight Trekking Poles look interesting and I've found several positive reviews. They are 3 part poles of 7001 grade aluminium with foam handles. Collapsed length is 24in (closer to 20in broken down) with a weight of 11 oz for the pair and cost around $90 USD.
Does anyone have any experience with these or a recommendation?
Thanks so much.
As far as the added cost Anti-Shock system, if you don't walk on asphalt/cobblestones/packed gravel roads or other hard surfaces or have wrist/arm/shoulder issues, you can save a bit of money and skip that feature. The anti-shock system does not help on grass, fields, soft dirt, sand, etc.Thanks to you both for the great information and pictures. It's just what I need to help me better understand what's important -- now to shopping
I actually take a suitcase and pack my pack and poles inside the suitcase and check it through the luggage.Firstly Melensdad - awesome post, very well writtien and great info. As a veteran of 4 caminos (2 x VdlP) I agree with all your points.
I have nothing technical else to add except regarding the ‘one or two’ pole question.
As I have ‘dodgy’ knees I do not need poles for super stability. I tend to use them only on steep up or down slopes. I have also used a Leki pole since my first camino in 2003. One pole is fine if you do not ‘need’ the stability of two. I have to say that I’ll be updating mine in the near future to one that collapses to fit inside my pack. Mine has to be taken apart completely to fit inside (for flights) - not a drama but it means it must be carried on the side of my pack when not in use.
Cheers, Grace
I believe that is the exact model my wife uses.I found a pair of Leki Lhasa Lite Antishock poles that seem to meet all the desired features outlined in Melensdad's post above for $99.95
weight - 18oz. Thanks again for all the help on this!
I have used all three. If you are using the straps properly, there is no need to make extensive use of the grip, and I have not found the grip composition to be a useful discriminant between a good pole and a bad pole.First off I would stay away from rubber or foam grips.
Again, if you are using the straps properly, that will let your hand assume a more natural angle. Angled grips might be useful if you are using the grip and not the straps for support, but then you are not getting the best from your poles anyway.Look for grips that have at least a slight angle to them
I suggest that you will get greater stability by adjusting the length of the pole for long descents and ascents. Besides, I have never seen a pole that where one couldn't put one's palm on the top of the grip, and paying extra for a bit of special shaping doesn't appear to make any sense to me.Look for grips with a large rounded top so you can "palm" them during decents, they give you stability.
There are a couple of points here. I have already suggested that you maintain a better grip by adjusting the pole length, and this applies to lengthening the straps. I don't lengthen the straps going uphill, I shorten the poles if that is necessary. I would also suggest that there are very few places, if any, on the Caminos that I have walked where this is going to be necessary.Look for a 'quick adjust' strap that can be adjusted 'on the fly' so you will always maintain a proper grip. My poles have a 'camming' lock that flips up to loosen the strap and then snaps back down to lock the strap back into place. Some other brands have similar systems, some do NOT and are a pain in the neck to adjust. You will want the strap to be LONGER when you are walking up a long ascent, and then you will want to return it to its normal setting for reasonable flat walking.
TWIST style locks[ /QUOTE] I have had both internal expanding locks (twist locks) and external clamp locks fail, and at this stage, don't have a preference. However, an internal expanding lock does require one to be able to grip the pole shaft firmly, which those with a condition like arthritis might find difficult. A clamp lock would clearly be an advantage there.
I currently use Komperdell (unsprung), Leki (unsprung) and Black Diamond (sprung) poles, and have used MacPac, Fizan and Quechua, as well as some house brands. I still have my original Leki, an unsprung pole with an internal expanding lock, plastic handles and a buckle adjustment for the strap. They have survived for over 15 years, albeit with less regular use. There is not much than can go wrong with a simple, basic pole like this.
Every sprung pole I have used has eventually had the spring collapse, when generally the pole itself needs to be replaced. A non-name pole I bought in Triacastella lasted two days or maybe 40km, an earlier Komperdell lasted about four years or some 2500+ km, with the others between those extremes.
And I have not yet walked the Camino, but I've used poles in winter and summer and was just making general statements about design and material.This is a great post, and appears to have the benefit of extensive personal experience. I have a different perspective about some things, but remember that I mainly walk in warmer temperate conditions, perhaps not the cold temperate or near Arctic conditions some people might face in training for the Camino.
True, proper use of straps certainly does come into play, but again, I was talking from the standpoint of a sufferer of several decades of rheumatoid arthritis. From my experince there is a clear advantage in comfort in the shape of the grip. Further, if you look at my avatar photo, that is my snowcat pictured, it is cold where I live in the winter, having a grip that can actually freeze is not a good thing. So from my experience, grip composition can make a difference, rubber and foam can freeze and be very uncomfortable in the winter, some types of rubber can be very slippery whe wet from rain. But again, I was simply pointing out some general differences.dougfitz said:I have used all three. If you are using the straps properly, there is no need to make extensive use of the grip, and I have not found the grip composition to be a useful discriminant between a good pole and a bad pole.
Again, if you are using the straps properly, that will let your hand assume a more natural angle. Angled grips might be useful if you are using the grip and not the straps for support, but then you are not getting the best from your poles anyway.
No arguement, and total agreement. I also suggested that adjusting the poles was appropriate. But I don't think I suggested paying "extra" for the shape of the grip from any company, nor do I think I ever implied that one should. I simply suggest a contoured top so that it was "palmable" for decents. Some of the cheap discount store grips I have tried have very small top surfaces and would be uncomfortable for steeper decents.dougfitz said:I suggest that you will get greater stability by adjusting the length of the pole for long descents and ascents. Besides, I have never seen a pole that where one couldn't put one's palm on the top of the grip, and paying extra for a bit of special shaping doesn't appear to make any sense to me.
I cannot speak to the specifics of the Caminos, but I will adjust BOTH the strap length and the pole length to get the most effective use of the pole.dougfitz said:There are a couple of points here. I have already suggested that you maintain a better grip by adjusting the pole length, and this applies to lengthening the straps. I don't lengthen the straps going uphill, I shorten the poles if that is necessary. I would also suggest that there are very few places, if any, on the Caminos that I have walked where this is going to be necessary.
No argument with this, I guess I am used to the simple cam lock on the strap of the LEKI, I find it simple and fast to use, but I didn't suggest it was the best, I simply suggested that any design that allowed for "on the fly" adjustment was good.dougfitz said:I find the new LEKI lock the most confusing part of their current pole design. I have tried it in store, and formed the view that it is far more cumbersome to use than their previous arrangements, and the arrangements used on many other poles, for both lengthening and shortening the strap length. It might be an advantage that the strap might be more secure, and not gradually slip a little over time. This is quickly addressed by a quick pull on the straps in other poles, but I cannot see that addressing this slight inconvenience by fitting a complicated and cumbersome new locking mechanism is really a benefit.
You have both provided wonderfully detailed information in your posts, but I am left with a query regarding the use of the poles and of the grips in particular. I had understood that poles were used to help distribute body weight as one is walking, so that one's weight is not totally on knees, hips, and other joints. How is this done if you do not grip the grip? (keep in mind, please, that I am a total novice at using poles...)...If you are using the straps properly, there is no need to make extensive use of the grip, ...
Well you do grip the grip, but not tight like you'd hold a baseball bat. On flat ground you sort of flick/swing the poles. On inclines you will grip them and use the (shortened) pole to hep pull you up the hill. On declines you will typically palm the top of the pole (which is why I like well rounded tops) while gripping the pole around the top surface. Under adverse/rocky/wet ground you will hold the pole more securely.You have both provided wonderfully detailed information in your posts, but I am left with a query regarding the use of the poles and of the grips in particular. I had understood that poles were used to help distribute body weight as one is walking, so that one's weight is not totally on knees, hips, and other joints. How is this done if you do not grip the grip? (keep in mind, please, that I am a total novice at using poles...)
Well, the common English meaning for 'grip' is to hold or grasp tightly, and if you are doing that, IMO you are not using the handle and strap combination effectively.Well you do grip the grip, but not tight like you'd hold a baseball bat. On flat ground you sort of flick/swing the poles. On inclines you will grip them and use the (shortened) pole to hep pull you up the hill. On declines you will typically palm the top of the pole (which is why I like well rounded tops) while gripping the pole around the top surface. Under adverse/rocky/wet ground you will hold the pole more securely.
Well I'm also an olympic style fencing coach and we grip saber weapons but we grip them lightly with 2 fingers and a thumb and use the remaining 2 fingers to control motion. We don't grip it like a baseball bat. We don't grip it like a golf club. Nor do we grasp it tightly.Well, the common English meaning for 'grip' is to hold or grasp tightly, and if you are doing that, IMO you are not using the handle and strap combination effectively....
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