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There are many people here that use this technique, but it is far from the only solution. @Rebecca Rushton has a very good website here, associated with her professional practice, that explains the pros and cons of various techniques.To avoid blisters, slather vasoline (petrolium jelly) on both feet BEFORE setting out on each day's trek. I have seen advice of using this to soothe blisters after they develop, however if doing this in advance you will be far less likely to ever get any blisters.
I have done four caminos and run dozens of marathons blister free. It was only in rare instances when I neglected this process that any blisters developed.
How effectively can you launder your socks?To avoid blisters, slather vasoline (petrolium jelly) on both feet BEFORE setting out on each day's trek. I have seen advice of using this to soothe blisters after they develop, however if doing this in advance you will be far less likely to ever get any blisters.
I have done four caminos and run dozens of marathons blister free. It was only in rare instances when I neglected this process that any blisters developed.
I used vaseline and a thin synthetic liner sock on my first camino. Sometime during my second camino I dropped the vaseline. Now I only wear the liner socks if it is hot, which is not too often because I start now in late October. But of course this year I am starting a month earlier so I am bringing 2 pairs of liners.There are many people here that use this technique, but it is far from the only solution. @Rebecca Rushton has a very good website here, associated with her professional practice, that explains the pros and cons of various techniques.
My own preference is to use a liner sock for longer walks, and give the liner sock a light dusting of foot powder before putting it on. I have had similar results to @markss.
edit: John Vonhoff's site is another good resource.
I can tell you from my perspective considering how well I hand wash all my clothes, not very.How effectively can you launder your socks?
Thanks for your post and the links. I like Vonhoff's book and will check out his site. The link to Rushton's site doesn't work.There are many people here that use this technique, but it is far from the only solution. @Rebecca Rushton has a very good website here, associated with her professional practice, that explains the pros and cons of various techniques.
My own preference is to use a liner sock for longer walks, and give the liner sock a light dusting of foot powder before putting it on. I have had similar results to @markss.
edit: John Vonhoff's site is another good resource.
Thanks for letting me know. I have adjusted the link in my earlier post as well as providing a working link here.Thanks for your post and the links. I like Vonhoff's book and will check out his site. The link to Rushton's site doesn't work.
Sensible info. I fully agree with your advice.I started out walking my first few Caminos using vaseline, but have since found choosing the right socks, shoes and different preventative measures to be best at keeping me blister free.
I've made a video on blister prevention, which may help some of you -
ha ha, I'm glad I'm not on my own with my views on Compeed. Some of the damage I've seen them do is certainly isn't something I want to see again.Sensible info. I fully agree with your advice.
And I completely agree with you on Compeed: It's one of the Devil's finest creations, IMHO...
Likewise... As hotspot treatment, maybe, but there are better (and cheaper!) ways of doing that. When a blister has started to form, Compeed is a sure way to make it worse. Again, IMHO.Some of the damage I've seen them do is certainly isn't something I want to see again.
I vote for sock liners - foolproof!!There are many people here that use this technique, but it is far from the only solution. @Rebecca Rushton has a very good website here, associated with her professional practice, that explains the pros and cons of various techniques.
My own preference is to use a liner sock for longer walks, and give the liner sock a light dusting of foot powder before putting it on. I have had similar results to @markss.
edit: John Vonhoff's site is another good resource.
totally, I would often see people with a massive blister that had formed under the compeed that they then couldn't get at.Likewise... As hotspot treatment, maybe, but there are better (and cheaper!) ways of doing that. When a blister has started to form, Compeed is a sure way to make it worse. Again, IMHO.
E noteTo avoid blisters, slather vasoline (petrolium jelly) on both feet BEFORE setting out on each day's trek. I have seen advice of using this to soothe blisters after they develop, however if doing this in advance you will be far less likely to ever get any blisters.
I have done four caminos and run dozens of marathons blister free. It was only in rare instances when I neglected this process that any blisters developed.
Please note, the original post says dozens of marathons. Which would infer well fitting footware and most important, feet that are toughen up from many miles. The best shoes, socks, and creams are of little help if ones feet are not accustomed to many miles a day. For many of us, blisters, sore muscles, etc are just a part of the experience. Embrace it.To avoid blisters, slather vasoline (petrolium jelly) on both feet BEFORE setting out on each day's trek. I have seen advice of using this to soothe blisters after they develop, however if doing this in advance you will be far less likely to ever get any blisters.
I have done four caminos and run dozens of marathons blister free. It was only in rare instances when I neglected this process that any blisters developed.
Nope. Blisters are not part of my Camino experience, and they can be avoided if hot spots are attended to right away.For many of us, blisters, sore muscles, etc are just a part of the experience. Embrace it
It actually doesnt cause any problems with your socks. However, i dont use vaseline. A couple of times I found it hard to come by. Vick on the other hand available in all farmacias. Umguentum del peregrinos is another vaseline like ointment and is really excellent. It is however quite a bit more expensive than the other two and even harder to find. I cannot vouch for this benefit of Vick but I have been told bedbugs do not like the smell and give it a wide berth. Could be true but I have no evidence to support it. But for the blisters, I found those ointments are excellent. Five caminos and I could count the blisters on one hand and have a finger or two left over. Good socks and well ftting and broken in footwear are essentialHow effectively can you launder your socks?
Assuming this is a serious question: I wash my socks after each use with soap and water in the basin. They usually are dry by morning, but if not hang them on your backpack until dry.How effectively can you launder your socks?
It was recommended to me and did it once but I avoided it henceforth due to the difficulty in removing the greasiness from the socks.How effectively can you launder your socks?
… and when covered in Vaseline?Assuming this is a serious question: I wash my socks after each use with soap and water in the basin. They usually are dry by morning, but if not hang them on your backpack until dry.
Thank you. I came to a similar conclusion while walking my camino and to avoid more blisters, I resorted to taping my toes starting with my big toe covering the others across and then coming under them ending back to the big toe. That was my saving grace that allowed me to walk every morning and reaching my destination at the end of the day.Thanks @dougfitz. The website is at blister-prevention.com these days.
Blisters continue to be *tricky* and what works for one doesn't work for another, for a very specific reason. That is, our (mainstream) understanding of what causes blisters is a bit off the mark. Most think it's friction (ie: rubbing) and so the solution must be stop things rubbing the foot. The opposite is true. Think about it, Vaseline works by making things slippery and rub more. Yet it can prevent blisters for a lot of people?
Friction's more scientific definition is the force that keeps surfaces stuck together (surfaces as in: skin-sock, sock-shoe, shoe-ground... high friction means they are grippy). It's not the rubbing on the skin that's important. But there is something moving relative to the skin surface that is important, and it's happening from within. It's the bones of the feet. The bones move back and forth with every step we take. Meanwhile, high friction levels keep the skin, sock, shoe and ground all stuck together (think traction). This is normal and a good thing for efficient walking (think about how inefficient it is to walk on a slippery floor without traction (low friction)). So the bones move and the skin doesn't and it's the job of all the soft tissue layers between skin surface and bone, which are all connected, to stretch and distort to allow for the mismatch in movement (between skin surface and bone).
So the relevant factors to blister formation are moving foot bones, high friction levels (which means grip and traction, which are good for efficient walking, until it gets too much), and the repetition (the more steps you take, the more likely blister formation is).
Back to rubbing - With any single rubbing action, there are 2 parts to it. The first is where there is no relative movement (no rubbing); the second is where there is relative movement (rubbing). The amount of shear is going to be determined by how long those two surfaces remain in stationary contact (ie: the no rubbing part). Make it slippery and shear deformation will be small (you'll be able to take more steps before the blister injury happens). Make it grippy and shear deformation will be big (more likely to get blisters sooner).
There's are nuances beyond this, but I thought this explanation might help a few people who are confused about the conflicting advice around blister prevention.
I tried the Vaseline on 1st Camino Frances but didn't like what happened to my socks. I bought baby powder and put lots of it on and between toes...I will never walk without my babypowder now.To avoid blisters, slather vasoline (petrolium jelly) on both feet BEFORE setting out on each day's trek. I have seen advice of using this to soothe blisters after they develop, however if doing this in advance you will be far less likely to ever get any blisters.
I have done four caminos and run dozens of marathons blister free. It was only in rare instances when I neglected this process that any blisters developed.
It seems a shame your description covers the incorrect application of hydro-colloidal dressings, which is using them to treat unbroken blisters, and then removing the dressing too early. Taken together, this is the recipe for disaster you describe.ha ha, I'm glad I'm not on my own with my views on Compeed. Some of the damage I've seen them do is certainly isn't something I want to see again.
You are rightIt seems a shame your description covers the incorrect application of hydro-colloidal dressings, which is using them to treat unbroken blisters, and then removing the dressing too early. Taken together, this is the recipe for disaster you describe.
I wear short ‘pop’ or stocking socks on top of Vaseline which takes much of the residue and also helps with friction so avoiding blisters. These are easy to clean out & dry at the end of the day. Eventually after hundreds of km you may get a bit of a build up on socks. Nothing that can’t be washed out with a bar of Sards.How effectively can you launder your socks?
Oh heck no. I've seen some seriously mangled feet out there. Like people in real pain. Sure, the tough ones suck it up, but others are miserable.Embrace it.
@Rebecca RushtonThanks @dougfitz. The website is at blister-prevention.com these days.
Blisters continue to be *tricky* and what works for one doesn't work for another, for a very specific reason. That is, our (mainstream) understanding of what causes blisters is a bit off the mark. Most think it's friction (ie: rubbing) and so the solution must be stop things rubbing the foot. The opposite is true. Think about it, Vaseline works by making things slippery and rub more. Yet it can prevent blisters for a lot of people?
Friction's more scientific definition is the force that keeps surfaces stuck together (surfaces as in: skin-sock, sock-shoe, shoe-ground... high friction means they are grippy). It's not the rubbing on the skin that's important. But there is something moving relative to the skin surface that is important, and it's happening from within. It's the bones of the feet. The bones move back and forth with every step we take. Meanwhile, high friction levels keep the skin, sock, shoe and ground all stuck together (think traction). This is normal and a good thing for efficient walking (think about how inefficient it is to walk on a slippery floor without traction (low friction)). So the bones move and the skin doesn't and it's the job of all the soft tissue layers between skin surface and bone, which are all connected, to stretch and distort to allow for the mismatch in movement (between skin surface and bone).
So the relevant factors to blister formation are moving foot bones, high friction levels (which means grip and traction, which are good for efficient walking, until it gets too much), and the repetition (the more steps you take, the more likely blister formation is).
Back to rubbing - With any single rubbing action, there are 2 parts to it. The first is where there is no relative movement (no rubbing); the second is where there is relative movement (rubbing). The amount of shear is going to be determined by how long those two surfaces remain in stationary contact (ie: the no rubbing part). Make it slippery and shear deformation will be small (you'll be able to take more steps before the blister injury happens). Make it grippy and shear deformation will be big (more likely to get blisters sooner).
There's are nuances beyond this, but I thought this explanation might help a few people who are confused about the conflicting advice around blister prevention.
Thanks for that explanation. It helps us understand how complex blister formation is, and how one person's confident declaration of a sure solution may not work for everyone.There's are nuances beyond this, but I thought this explanation might help a few people who are confused about the conflicting advice around blister prevention.
Right. There is no one size fits all solution, and there are people that are just more blister prone for whatever reason. That's why it's important to do several long walks on consecutive days before the Camino to find out how blister prone you are, and to try different strategies to address it. And it's so important to stop right away when you feel any kind of hot spot on your feet. Stopping a blister is much better than treating one.Thanks for that explanation. It helps us understand how complex blister formation is, and how one person's confident declaration of a sure solution may not work for everyone.
Nope. Blisters are not part of my Camino experience, and they can be avoided if hot spots are attended to right away.
Maybe I got lucky. My first Camino and no blisters. Well-broken-in shoes and 12 mile days in preparation. Cotton blend socks. Taped the hot spots. Ended in Santiago with intact skin.Right. There is no one size fits all solution, and there are people that are just more blister prone for whatever reason. That's why it's important to do several long walks on consecutive days before the Camino to find out how blister prone you are, and to try different strategies to address it. And it's so important to stop right away when you feel any kind of hot spot on your feet. Stopping a blister is much better than treating one.
If you get a blister, you give it first aid (betadine and a dressing). And if you want it to not hurt and indeed heal while you continue to walk, you put in place the best prevention for that particular blister area, because the prevention is what stops the blister-causing forces. Engo patches are great, but they aren't applicable to every blister (eg: pinch blisters and blisters between toes, because there's no part of the shoe to stick them to). That's why I advise on blisters according to their site, not just blisters as a single entity - you'll see articles on my website on all the different areas of your foot. At the very least, become informed about any blister or hotspot area that has ever bothered you before (eg: under big toe, back of heel, or under toenail), and make sure you've got the best preventions in place - ideally before you even start, because too many people ignore the hotspot stage until it's too late. All the best - have a great time out there@Rebecca Rushton
Great information-I picked up 2 packs of Engo patches. What else would you suggest I have with me…. In case -I do develop a Blister? I watched several of your YT videos- good solid information. I leave for my Camino in a month
@Rebecca RushtonThanks @dougfitz. The website is at blister-prevention.com these days.
Blisters continue to be *tricky* and what works for one doesn't work for another, for a very specific reason. That is, our (mainstream) understanding of what causes blisters is a bit off the mark. Most think it's friction (ie: rubbing) and so the solution must be stop things rubbing the foot. The opposite is true. Think about it, Vaseline works by making things slippery and rub more. Yet it can prevent blisters for a lot of people?
Friction's more scientific definition is the force that keeps surfaces stuck together (surfaces as in: skin-sock, sock-shoe, shoe-ground... high friction means they are grippy). It's not the rubbing on the skin that's important. But there is something moving relative to the skin surface that is important, and it's happening from within. It's the bones of the feet. The bones move back and forth with every step we take. Meanwhile, high friction levels keep the skin, sock, shoe and ground all stuck together (think traction). This is normal and a good thing for efficient walking (think about how inefficient it is to walk on a slippery floor without traction (low friction)). So the bones move and the skin doesn't and it's the job of all the soft tissue layers between skin surface and bone, which are all connected, to stretch and distort to allow for the mismatch in movement (between skin surface and bone).
So the relevant factors to blister formation are moving foot bones, high friction levels (which means grip and traction, which are good for efficient walking, until it gets too much), and the repetition (the more steps you take, the more likely blister formation is).
Back to rubbing - With any single rubbing action, there are 2 parts to it. The first is where there is no relative movement (no rubbing); the second is where there is relative movement (rubbing). The amount of shear is going to be determined by how long those two surfaces remain in stationary contact (ie: the no rubbing part). Make it slippery and shear deformation will be small (you'll be able to take more steps before the blister injury happens). Make it grippy and shear deformation will be big (more likely to get blisters sooner).
There's are nuances beyond this, but I thought this explanation might help a few people who are confused about the conflicting advice around blister prevention.
Thank you.If you get a blister, you give it first aid (betadine and a dressing). And if you want it to not hurt and indeed heal while you continue to walk, you put in place the best prevention for that particular blister area, because the prevention is what stops the blister-causing forces. Engo patches are great, but they aren't applicable to every blister (eg: pinch blisters and blisters between toes, because there's no part of the shoe to stick them to). That's why I advise on blisters according to their site, not just blisters as a single entity - you'll see articles on my website on all the different areas of your foot. At the very least, become informed about any blister or hotspot area that has ever bothered you before (eg: under big toe, back of heel, or under toenail), and make sure you've got the best preventions in place - ideally before you even start, because too many people ignore the hotspot stage until it's too late. All the best - have a great time out there
Definitely- hydro-colloidal dressings are very sophisticated scientific/lab created dressings. My family and I have used very successfully for years. (two daughters, rubbish fitting shoes!!) However in Ponferrada when I went to the hospital to have a different problem attended to, the nurse tried very hard! and insistently ++ to take off the compeed (which was, as it was designed to, holding firm). If removed forcibly it will badly tear the skin. She told me that this was their standard way of 'managing' compeed. (fortunately for me, I know a bit about wound care and I also speak Spanish; and was not about to be pushed into having it ripped from my foot!). Patience and waiting for it to fall off when the hydro-colloidal senses the wound is fully healed - smart dressings!It seems a shame your description covers the incorrect application of hydro-colloidal dressings, which is using them to treat unbroken blisters, and then removing the dressing too early. Taken together, this is the recipe for disaster you describe.
I have not needed to treat blisters for many years, but a hydro-colloidal dressing should only be put on an already de-roofed blister or other open wound and not removed until it falls off. Use a flexible tape like fixomull over the dressing to keep socks from pulling the edges away from the skin, when one risks pulling the dressing off prematurely when one removes one's socks.
If not part of the Camino experience, why then is it such a common topic?Nope. Blisters are not part of my Camino experience, and they can be avoided if hot spots are attended to right away.
Because too many people don't listen to their feet when they get hot spots! A hot spot does not have to turn into a blister if you take care of your feet at the first signs.If not part of the Camino experience, why then is it such a common topic?
But it's a pretty expensive solution. Lambswool, moleskin, etc. will cushion without the high cost.Hydrocolloids are designed to interact with an open wound to accelerate healing. If there's no open wound, its main modus operandi is unused. However, it will spread shear load and cushion a little as secondary effects.
There are many people here that use this technique, but it is far from the only solution. @Rebecca Rushton has a very good website here, associated with her professional practice, that explains the pros and cons of various techniques.
My own preference is to use a liner sock for longer walks, and give the liner sock a light dusting of foot powder before putting it on. I have had similar results to @markss.
edit: John Vonhoff's site is another good resource.
Did you mostly get toe blisters ? I wondered if injiji would work if my blisters are mainly on the heel edgesMy go to is Injinji toe socks. Never had a blister despite piling on the miles and being very overweight.
I am for the dry method:And stopping every couple of hours and taking off your shoes and socks, letting your feet rest and cool off, and rinsing and drying them. And changing to fresh dry socks if the ones you were wearing are wet from sweat or water.
I don't think that they would work any better for heel edge blisters than any other kind of socks. I would try some Omnifix tape on those areas.Did you mostly get toe blisters ? I wondered if injiji would work if my blisters are mainly on the heel edges
My father used to ask, “why do people complicate their lives?” For me it’s know your feet, know your boots and tape those vulnerable spots.To avoid blisters, slather vasoline (petrolium jelly) on both feet BEFORE setting out on each day's trek. I have seen advice of using this to soothe blisters after they develop, however if doing this in advance you will be far less likely to ever get any blisters.
I have done four caminos and run dozens of marathons blister free. It was only in rare instances when I neglected this process that any blisters developed.
100% agree with your assessment ..I got two minor blisters on my first camino...11 Caminos later doing exactly what you say I haven't had a blister since...even if I'm 1/2 a kilometer from a village ...if I have a hot spot I stop immediately and take off my shoes and socks....wait a bit and put dry socks on....what feels better than that on a camino...fresh new dry socks!!Pay attention to your feet as you walk. As soon as you start to feel a warm spot, stop immediately, remove your shoes and socks and inspect the spot. If it’s just a little warm, I slap some NexCare tape on it. However, if it’s red and hot but has not blistered, that’s when to use Compeed. Do not wait for it to start to hurt because, as I learned from experience, then it’s too late. Having stated the above, this is what has worked for me. Much depends on the individual.
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