- Time of past OR future Camino
- First one in 2005 from Moissac, France.
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And @David should take some heart from this. The average life expectancy for a 75 year old male in the UK is 87 years. On average, he would have another 12 years or 624 weeks. (source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula.../articles/lifeexpectancycalculator/2019-06-07)A side fact to consider: The average life expectancy takes into account all demises, including those not falling under what is commonly called "old age". So the statistic changes for people that have already "managed to survive" for some time.
I would guess that many countries do track statistics for this, but my english skill have boundries and i only looked up the one for Germany real quick as an example:
A 0-year male currently has a life expectancy of 78,33 years
A 80-year male currently has a (remaining) life expectancy of 7,97 years
So pretty much the older you get the higher your total life expectancy. But it's a statistic. I guess none of us really knows how much time we got left so i absolutely agree on the point of making every day count.
Remember David "There can only be one."ps As we get older, we can expect to get even older. So if @David did reach 87, his life expectancy would be 92, another five years!
I hope you are right. Just booked my flights for another one this very evening.My theory is that the more caminos you do, the more you have time left to do. If I'm wrong, please don't disabuse me.
Thank you for sharing. Buen caminoI'm 60. My first wife died of cancer a couple of years ago. She was sick for years and couldn't do much for a long time. The lessons I learned from caring for her, from being by her side through her hospice and death.
The good Lord blessed me with a fantastic woman to partner with and make my wife. We married a week ago. When we were dating we planed a 2024 trip "out West" (USA). One day we were talking about bucket list things and I said that walking the Camino was at the top of my list. About three days later she said "Let's go!" So, we're going in May - July. This coming May.
Life is not what I thought it was and maybe I still don't have a clue. I sat with my wife of 37 years as she breathed her last. I do know this, it goes by really fast.
My perspective changed. One of the biggest lessons I learned is that we avoid what we think is risk because we want things to stay good and for that normal to last. Of course, we define what all of this means and we have to calculate in, the inherent neurosis of being a human. The truth is, there's not much to lose. We will surely die, and relatively soon. Go for it and go now.
I had a PT (physical training) instructor in the military that once waxed philosophical. I have tried to live by his words. He said that as men age (maybe women too) we seek comfort. We tend to want controlled temperatures and a soft place to sit down and get fat. His was advice wasn't to avoid doing these things. He said: "Seek the pain". Get down in the floor, exercise, push. Actively avoid comfort on the regular.
My wife is like me, even more so maybe. We love to hike, kayak, go to the gym, do yoga, etc.. I am soooo lucky. She says we're blessed.
As I sat with my first wife, after she could no longer talk, I could quietly review our last four decades together. I could sort of, die with her. When we are at that place we can't change anything. What happened, happened, what we are, we are.. The life we lived is over as we sit with this unable to affect anything.
Life is a gift to be lived in generosity and kindness, to self and others. Safety isn't a thing outside of being mindful. If there's something you need to say or do, make a plan and get on with it.
I know that I need this pilgrimage, at least I think I do. All that I can change is in me. And, that's bloody hard enough.
As a Danish poet once said, over a new grave:Having watched my biological grandmother die from Alzheimer’s, I would say,
"Go. Before your mind does."
Or, as I recently told a priest who told me that the Camino was on his "bucket list," but that he didn't have time...
"That bucket may be closer than you think."
I’m sorry for your loss, and happy for your new chapter. THANK YOU for the sage advice. I agree completely. And WOW, just wait for the magic of the Camino. You’ll never be the same! I’m so happy you’re going! Buen Camino!I'm 60. My first wife died of cancer a couple of years ago. She was sick for years and couldn't do much for a long time. The lessons I learned from caring for her, from being by her side through her hospice and death.
The good Lord blessed me with a fantastic woman to partner with and make my wife. We married a week ago. When we were dating we planed a 2024 trip "out West" (USA). One day we were talking about bucket list things and I said that walking the Camino was at the top of my list. About three days later she said "Let's go!" So, we're going in May - July. This coming May.
Life is not what I thought it was and maybe I still don't have a clue. I sat with my wife of 37 years as she breathed her last. I do know this, it goes by really fast.
My perspective changed. One of the biggest lessons I learned is that we avoid what we think is risk because we want things to stay good and for that normal to last. Of course, we define what all of this means and we have to calculate in, the inherent neurosis of being a human. The truth is, there's not much to lose. We will surely die, and relatively soon. Go for it and go now.
I had a PT (physical training) instructor in the military that once waxed philosophical. I have tried to live by his words. He said that as men age (maybe women too) we seek comfort. We tend to want controlled temperatures and a soft place to sit down and get fat. His was advice wasn't to avoid doing these things. He said: "Seek the pain". Get down in the floor, exercise, push. Actively avoid comfort on the regular.
My wife is like me, even more so maybe. We love to hike, kayak, go to the gym, do yoga, etc.. I am soooo lucky. She says we're blessed.
As I sat with my first wife, after she could no longer talk, I could quietly review our last four decades together. I could sort of, die with her. When we are at that place we can't change anything. What happened, happened, what we are, we are.. The life we lived is over as we sit with this unable to affect anything.
Life is a gift to be lived in generosity and kindness, to self and others. Safety isn't a thing outside of being mindful. If there's something you need to say or do, make a plan and get on with it.
I know that I need this pilgrimage, at least I think I do. All that I can change is in me. And, that's bloody hard enough.
There can still be only one. Watch your back on that descent from El AceboWell OP, a spanner in your calculations.
I was born 62 years ago in the Highlands of Grimsby and I am Immortal
So because you're immortal you have limitless time - which I guess makes you the ultimate procrastinator.....Well OP, a spanner in your calculations.
I was born 62 years ago in the Highlands of Grimsby and I am Immortal
Am not sureSo because you're immortal you have limitless time - which I guess makes you the ultimate procrastinator.....
@David, you (and anyone else longing for an existential crisis) might enjoy this article: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/12/the-tail-end.htmlHi all - this is really for us older ones .... and those who may be putting off their Camino - don't! and here is why ...
80 is the average death age in the UK - balances out from those who die younger and those who die much older -
If a person lives until their 80th birthday they have 4,170 weeks to spend before the sands run out.
Now, this sounds like a lot of weeks ... but ... if you are sixty-five? Well, you have just 782 weeks left out of your 4,170. (Where did they go???).
So maybe don't put off your Camino?
If you are 75, like me, you have a mere 260 weeks left!!Just 260 weeks! Out of your 4,170
(mind you, I intend to live healthily until at least 98 so this number doesn't really affect me).
Thing is - arithmetic and jokes aside it really shows that we need to grasp the time we have - so maybe don't dream about a future year to go - get out there on Camino!
Me too…I love this thread.
I have only heard about one person with that ability, some 2.000 years ago.I was born 62 years ago in the Highlands of Grimsby and I am Immortal
Very good point!don't forget to keep some of those incoming future weeks for other parts of life !!
Yes, old NYSE's sand is running low and that's why, after completing the Camino Portuguese from Lisbon in November, I want to go back. You see, I left a part of myself on that trailHi all - this is really for us older ones .... and those who may be putting off their Camino - don't! and here is why ...
80 is the average death age in the UK - balances out from those who die younger and those who die much older -
If a person lives until their 80th birthday they have 4,170 weeks to spend before the sands run out.
Now, this sounds like a lot of weeks ... but ... if you are sixty-five? Well, you have just 782 weeks left out of your 4,170. (Where did they go???).
So maybe don't put off your Camino?
If you are 75, like me, you have a mere 260 weeks left!!Just 260 weeks! Out of your 4,170
(mind you, I intend to live healthily until at least 98 so this number doesn't really affect me).
Thing is - arithmetic and jokes aside it really shows that we need to grasp the time we have - so maybe don't dream about a future year to go - get out there on Camino!
As @VNwalking says; do it now! It is a relief each time I have booked my flight, without a refund option: As pilots say: "V1! Rotate!": No possibility of going back... And then there's just planning to do (If you need to: You know how it works now, and how easy it really is to start a Camino).OMG Im booking my flight to Madrid for a spring 2024 Camino tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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