- Time of past OR future Camino
- Inglès April 2023
Primitivo July 2023
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I'm guessing that the answers to this one will be fairly divergent from what happens in Compostela ...We talk about this often on the forum: how many pilgrims do NOT collect a Compostela?
Apart from my first two, the rest are glued into my credenciales. Including because I always make my way back along the Camino, and it's occasionally helpful to have your Compostela with you. Usually not, just occasionally.Every time, and then I stick 'em in a folder and never look at them again. It's a bit silly, really.
However, caution is needed using this calculation, as I would imagine the majority of users likely to vote/comment on here are more what you would term "seasoned/repeat Camino peeps (myself excluded)".Just an observation, but the raw statistics above, at least for those pilgrims who are members of this forum, suggests that HALF of all pilgrims do not collect Compostela after their Camino.
This tends to indicate that, again, limited to forum members - there are TWICE as many pilgrims out on Camino as there are showing up for a Compostela at the end.
Statistically speaking, this is not valid as the sample is not representative of ALL pilgrims. But if it were, it would suggest that the true annual pilgrim volumes are approximately DOUBLE those reported. For 2023, that could be well over 900,000 pilgrims.
YIKES!
Tom
A very valid observation !However, caution is needed using this calculation, as I would imagine the majority of users likely to vote/comment on here are more what you would term "seasoned/repeat Camino peeps (myself excluded)".
So you could expect there to be a higher number of those who do not collect the Compostela.
You can bet most first-timers (such as myself) would collect a Compestela, but maybe unlikely to linger on such forums post Camino (myself excluded).
Darn straight! When I die the few people who come to my funeral are going to be like, "well, he didn't really do much, but he walked a boat ton of caminos!" Then maybe they'll hand them out as door prizes.Posterity
This I get. Big time. Not for me, personally - but I’ve seen how much it means to some people. Regardless as to whether it’s a religious affirmation, or seen as a diploma - to that person, it’s very meaningful.She said, "You mean we get a diploma?!" I still remember the look of joy in her eyes and this was like a long time ago.
But not this. I mean, I get that your proud of your achievements - and rightly so - but isn’t it just another piece of paper? If you lost them all tomorrow, you will still have walked all those walks, gained from all those experience’s, met all those wonderful people, and hopefully retain all those wonderful memories.Ok, I am sort of proud of this... I think I have like between 30-35 of them
Yah. Pieces of paper in tubes. I still don't see the downside.But not this. I mean, I get that your proud of your achievements - and rightly so - but isn’t it just another piece of paper?
Forever friends!If you lost them all tomorrow, you will still have walked all those walks, gained from all those experience’s, met all those wonderful people, and hopefully retain all those wonderful memories.
I'm a little scared of that! I'll deal. Just new.(Still envious of that! )
The denomination doesn't matter. It is the spirit that counts. I mean, they have that option "spiritual reasons." Pretty open to interpretation from my POV.I'm not Catholic so I don't feel qualified for the Compostela
Still not changing my vote; I'll remain down at the bottom of the poll pile.The denomination doesn't matter. It is the spirit that counts.
Yep. That's your choice entirely!Still not changing my vote; I'll remain down at the bottom of the poll pile.
Of the certificates I have received on pilgrim routes I think the one I like best is the one from the pilgrim museum on Shikoku naming me (with a slight misspelling) as a Henro Ambassador. A reminder of an extraordinary experience which I do my best to share here and elsewhere when the opportunity arises.If I did put up a certificate it would be the one called the "halfway" certificate from Sahagún.
Excellent post from @peregrina2000 a little while ago; that should keep even you busy for a while longer.Ok, I am sort of proud of this... I think I have like between 30-35 of them. But they aren't all the ones from Santiago... included in that number is the other ones too... like the "padronstela", "finistela", "muxiastela", "sahagunstela", "SanSalvadorstela"... if anyone knows of any others that I am not aware of please let me know..
Interesting enough though I never get the distance certificate.
Every time.
But only my first Compostela has my name on it.
All subsequent ones are Vicarie Pro (on behalf of) for loved ones who are no longer with us.
There really are just a couple of simple rules/requirements to get the Compostela, nothing to obsess over!We never collect them.
So many obsessed with "the rules" can be distracting from the experience.
Yes. Like the OP, I don't understand why reminders of 'the rules' comes up in so many threads, and when walking. It reminds me of being a Cub-Scout leader.There really are just a couple of simple rules/requirements to get the Compostela, nothing to obsess over!
Yes, always. Then I give it to the person I walked for, along with the Rosary Beads, Credential and Scallop Shell.Obviously, this is prompted by the current 'Trends in 2023 - Gronze article' thread.
We talk about this often on the forum: how many pilgrims do NOT collect a Compostela?
So because it's winter in Europe, and most of us are at home rather than on the Camino, it seems like the perfect time to conduct a completely unscientific Poll.
I am appreciative I could have added more answers, I have deliberately kept it simple.
You know who is NOT obsessed with the rules? The Pilgrim's office in SDC. Like yah sure you should get two stamps last 100km... I mean that's the rule.We never collect them.
So many obsessed with "the rules" can be distracting from the experience.
Peter, the results so far are surprising. I'm thinking that the votes are probably coming in from the 'old hands'. It would be interesting to know how the prospective pilgrims would vote, perfectly valid for your poll. Maybe you should put up a supplementary thread specifically encouraging them to vote too....it seems like the perfect time to conduct a completely unscientific Poll.
Paul, I actually don't find it all that surprising. On the surface it would appear that the vast majority of active members are, shall we say, repeat offenders. (Regardless as to whether they choose the first or the second option). And because you cannot choose more than one option only one person has chosen the 'my Camino was not eligible' option - and that for different reasons!Peter, the results so far are surprising. I'm thinking that the votes are probably coming in from the 'old hands'. It would be interesting to know how the prospective pilgrims would vote, perfectly valid for your poll. Maybe you should put up a supplementary thread specifically encouraging them to vote too.
Or perhaps ask a mod to change the title to "Will you..."
Part of my reasons for not asking for a Compostela these days is that my own religious outlook has changed over the years. When I first walked the Caminos I was much more definite in my Christian beliefs and far clearer about my reasons for walking. These days my religious or "spiritual" thinking is more ambivalent and less easily categorized. I cannot now claim in good conscience that I am walking devotionis affectu vel voti causa or that my visits to Santiago are made in pietatis causa. So it feels dishonest to have my name on the document.The denomination doesn't matter. It is the spirit that counts. I mean, they have that option "spiritual reasons." Pretty open to interpretation from my POV.
You know who is NOT obsessed with the rules? The Pilgrim's office in SDC.
I had no idea about it either when I set out in 1993 first time, nor even about the Credenciales, so that was a learning experience !!But she had no idea about the Compostela.
It's not so much the rules as it is why “We talk about this often on the forum.”You know who is NOT obsessed with the rules? The Pilgrim's office in SDC. Like yah sure you should get two stamps last 100km... I mean that's the rule.
But seriously... if you have a bunch of stamps from a start point like far out... they don't give a hoot. I know this only from like, a bunch of times.
If you start in Sarria... well then darn straight get two stamps/day.
I think those are the only rules tho. I'm trying to think of another one. Nah, walk 100km. Two stamps per day last 100km (sometimes). That's it.
The only time I was ever sorta interrogated , and just for like a second, was when my start point was SJPdP and my credential wasn't filled. I explained, "yah. I skipped the Meseta"...
I personally like a filled up credential tho. I usually get one stamp a day and then try to fill it up towards the end.
I think this is a misapprehension -- the Catholic Church considers the Way of Saint James to be at least an implicit pathway towards Christ, which is why the conditions for obtaining the Compostela seem to be so vaguely defined, and why the Pilgrim Office and the volunteers there provide them with so little hassle. The pilgrimage isn't really "reserved" to Catholics only, but religiously to all who make their Way to the Sanctuary with generosity of and in the spirit.I'm not Catholic so I don't feel qualified for the Compostela.
I agree. I'm not completely surprised - it is much what I suspected having done an awful lot over reading of so many threads over the past year, both current and historical. But it is almost gratifying to see my suspicions confirmed. Ultimately I expect it to come down slightly higher on the yes side, because as @Peregrinopaul said above I have not made provision for a number of factors - eg those first timers to answer 'yes I will for my first but probably won't bother for a second' for example.It is fascinating to watch how the proportions barely change. There are now nearly 150 self-selected poll participants and the split is still roughly 50% to 50% as it was from the beginning.
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And, yes, I am one of the 7.
Sometimes I do better using the search terms in Google but adding site:caminodesantiago.me to them. This though works the search over threads and not posts.Even after extensive use I still struggle with the search function of the forum.
I use similar approaches, @dougfitz has suggested some excellent methodology in previous posts on the subject.Sometimes I do better using the search terms in Google but adding site:caminodesantiago.me to them. This though works the search over threads and not posts.
You can also use Google's advanced search and enter caminodesantiago.me in the site or domain box.
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
"Composer" should be "compostela". Auto correct. Sheesh!I have 4 composer's and a Salvadoran. I've been to SDC 3 times and find the last 100 km and congestion in SDC soul killing. I've completed 5 Caminos and the Muxia-Fisterra loop twice and plan to walk the French Camino, but will never go to SDC again.
On my first Camino (Norte/Primitivo) in Sept/Oct 2022, I started in San Sébastien but after realizing my 30+ km per day plan was unrealistic in 35 degree plus temps while dealing with a brutal bed race I skipped two stages and restarted in Bilbao. I put my starting point as Bilbao when applying for my first CompostelaYou know who is NOT obsessed with the rules? The Pilgrim's office in SDC. Like yah sure you should get two stamps last 100km... I mean that's the rule.
But seriously... if you have a bunch of stamps from a start point like far out... they don't give a hoot. I know this only from like, a bunch of times.
If you start in Sarria... well then darn straight get two stamps/day.
I think those are the only rules tho. I'm trying to think of another one. Nah, walk 100km. Two stamps per day last 100km (sometimes). That's it.
The only time I was ever sorta interrogated , and just for like a second, was when my start point was SJPdP and my credential wasn't filled. I explained, "yah. I skipped the Meseta"...
I personally like a filled up credential tho. I usually get one stamp a day and then try to fill it up towards the end.
I met people on the last trip who were doing the Camino by bus, train and/or cab walking almost nothing. They planned to apply for a compestella. I know that is an extreme example, but clearly the Camino is becoming less of a "walk" for some.
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