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Really? That would make it interesting.sometimes the signs are a few hundred kms off
On the way out of Hontanas there is a sign showing 248 miles to Santiago. It also showed 457kms (i.e. c. 284 miles) and 95 leguas (i.e. a league being 3 miles on land so 285 miles). So presumably they mixed up the number of 284 miles as 248 when they painted the sign!Really? That would make it interesting.
I couldn't care less, and never pay the numbers much attention. Except when getting close to Santiago, wishing they weren't getting so low so fast.But for all of us, the Camino is a numbers game.
The Pilgrims Office does .It doesn't matter. Let the Compostela decide the kilometers. But for all of us, the Camino is a numbers game.
It wasReally? That would make it interesting.
We always noticed the signages with numbers. It either left us in despair or it boosts our morale. It is my guide since I am an analog guy. I carried a Cicerone guidebook and a compass.I couldn't care less, and never pay the numbers much attention. Except when getting close to Santiago, wishing they weren't getting so low so fast.
I am now wondering what country you started in and how long you were walking.It was. In one town a sign would say 2100kms to Santiago then a few kms further in the next village it was 1967,47km or 2300, or the other way around, while my guide books were pretty sure it was still 2500 at least!
It's a bit like asking locals "how far to xy?" One will say "Almost there, maybe five minutes!" one "Still far, maybe three hours?" one "You can't walk there, it's too far, but there's a bus stop over there!" and one will know a shortcut or a more beautiful variant. In the end, you never know exactly what you get. Always fun.
Not blaming the people who put up the signs, by the way. There are so many different ways to Santiago, it's impossible to give a "correct" distance for everyone, especially in places far away from the destination, when there are still countless official and inofficiaI variants.
I was always happy to see a distance marker for Santiago at all, whatever numbers were written on it!
Really? Maybe for you, but please don't project that on the rest of us, because you don't actually know.For those who used phone navigation apps, the numbers are important. Calories lost, number of steps, distances, heartbeats, etc.
I saved phone battery for photos and videos. For navigation, the yellow arrows. When I see a number, it gives me an idea how far I have walked and how far will I walk.Really? Maybe for you, but please don't project that on the rest of us, because you don't actually know.
I use a navigation app. For navigation.
Sometimes at the end of a day I know how far I've gone, sometimes not. I prefer to actually inhabit my body and let it tell me how far is far enough. As for all that other data, it's for a gym, not the camino (unless you have heart disease and actually need to know pulse rate). But otherwise, who cares?
Of course. Think of a running track. The distance varies depending on whether you're running/walking it on the left side or the right.Does someone know why WP doesn't need to walk as far as Brierley? Seem unfair to me.
My wife calls these 'walkers lies'. She coined the phrase when we were walking the Milford track nearly a decade ago. When she asked a DOC worker repairing part of the track what the track was like ahead, the response was 'its level for quite a while' despite the climb we could see ahead of us.It's a bit like asking locals "how far to xy?" One will say "Almost there, maybe five minutes!" one "Still far, maybe three hours?" one "You can't walk there, it's too far, but there's a bus stop over there!" and one will know a shortcut or a more beautiful variant. In the end, you never know exactly what you get. Always fun.
Let's be generous and say the average Camino path track is about three metres wide, and we use about 2/3 of it walking. On a circuit that would make a difference of about six metres a lap. 30 km would need 5000 laps, or 2000 km on a standard track. @Rick of Rick and Peg, I like the suggestion, but I don't think it passes the pub maths testOf course. Think of a running track. The distance varies depending on whether you're running/walking it on the left side or the right.
How about if while you are walking you constantly cross the camino thinking the other side is the shorter?Let's be generous and say the average Camino path track is about three metres wide, and we use about 2/3 of it walking. On a circuit that would make a difference of about six metres a lap. 30 km would need 5000 laps, or 2000 km on a standard track. @Rick of Rick and Peg, I like the suggestion, but I don't think it passes the pub maths test
That's got potential. At an angle of 20°, it would only require about 450 km to add the distance.How about if while you are walking you constantly cross the camino thinking the other side is the shorter?
Dearest Pilgrims,
Perhaps the answer is obvious to others, but I am unable to determine why Wise Pilgrim provides a distance of 767km from SJPDP to SDC and Brierley gives a distance of 778.5km.
Wise Pilgrim on the Napoleon arrives at Roncesvalles with 742.7km left to SDC while poor Brierley must walk 753.4km to reach the same destination.
Again, at Pamplona, WP is only 700.4km from SDC while unfortunate Brierley is 731.5km distant.
Does someone know why WP doesn't need to walk as far as Brierley? Seem unfair to me.
Lol.....hard to tell if you are joking.....you sound so sincere!!Dearest Pilgrims,
Perhaps the answer is obvious to others, but I am unable to determine why Wise Pilgrim provides a distance of 767km from SJPDP to SDC and Brierley gives a distance of 778.5km.
Wise Pilgrim on the Napoleon arrives at Roncesvalles with 742.7km left to SDC while poor Brierley must walk 753.4km to reach the same destination.
Again, at Pamplona, WP is only 700.4km from SDC while unfortunate Brierley is 731.5km distant.
Does someone know why WP doesn't need to walk as far as Brierley? Seem unfair to me.
Just to clarify, I most certainly do NOT use this method. It would be wildly inaccurate.I know from personal experience, that Wise Pilgrim uses a GPS transponder affixed to his bicycle when measuring routes. Others have used various analog pedometers or a rolling surveyor’s measuring wheel.
If you look at the different apps they all have different distances.Dearest Pilgrims,
Perhaps the answer is obvious to others, but I am unable to determine why Wise Pilgrim provides a distance of 767km from SJPDP to SDC and Brierley gives a distance of 778.5km.
Wise Pilgrim on the Napoleon arrives at Roncesvalles with 742.7km left to SDC while poor Brierley must walk 753.4km to reach the same destination.
Again, at Pamplona, WP is only 700.4km from SDC while unfortunate Brierley is 731.5km distant.
Does someone know why WP doesn't need to walk as far as Brierley? Seem unfair to me.
And the road sign leaving Roncevalles states 800 km to Santiago de Compostela??Dearest Pilgrims,
Perhaps the answer is obvious to others, but I am unable to determine why Wise Pilgrim provides a distance of 767km from SJPDP to SDC and Brierley gives a distance of 778.5km.
Wise Pilgrim on the Napoleon arrives at Roncesvalles with 742.7km left to SDC while poor Brierley must walk 753.4km to reach the same destination.
Again, at Pamplona, WP is only 700.4km from SDC while unfortunate Brierley is 731.5km distant.
Does someone know why WP doesn't need to walk as far as Brierley? Seem unfair to me.
Wonderful advice.Your brain is trying to frighten you out of this. Tell it to shut up, and come.
A bit more than three and a half months, from germany.I am now wondering what country you started in and how long you were walking.
My official Distance Certificate from 2017 even states 799 km as the distance from SJPP to SdC.... and the Pilgrim Office will tell you it's 775km.
Also known as "decimal dust."a difference of even 40 km ... over 740 km or more...is not significant.
Perhaps I should have been more precise. My distance certificate from SJPP is for 775km.My official Distance Certificate from 2017 even states 799 km as the distance from SJPP to SdC.
Seems to me the problem can be solved by simply starting in SJPDP so that overall - both men are only walking 11.5km difference, as opposed to starting in Roncesvalles or Pamplona with 31.something km difference!SJPDP 767km vs 778.5km. 11.5km difference
Roncesvalles 742.7km vs 753.4km 31.7km difference
Pamplona,700.4km vs 731.5km 31.1km difference
Mine says I walked 799km. I got mine in 2017 like @Yoyo. Possibly they changed it that year.Perhaps I should have been more precise. My distance certificate from SJPP is for 775km.
John Brierly is very tall. Fewer paces but greater distance.Dearest Pilgrims,
Perhaps the answer is obvious to others, but I am unable to determine why Wise Pilgrim provides a distance of 767km from SJPDP to SDC and Brierley gives a distance of 778.5km.
Wise Pilgrim on the Napoleon arrives at Roncesvalles with 742.7km left to SDC while poor Brierley must walk 753.4km to reach the same destination.
Again, at Pamplona, WP is only 700.4km from SDC while unfortunate Brierley is 731.5km distant.
Does someone know why WP doesn't need to walk as far as Brierley? Seem unfair to me.
My official Distance Certificate from 2017 even states 799 km as the distance from SJPP to SdC.
Perhaps I should have been more precise. My distance certificate from SJPP is for 775km.
Mine says I walked 799km. I got mine in 2017 like @Yoyo. Possibly they changed it that year.
Not really, unless it is in the last 100km.But outside of all this, does it really matter in the scheme of things, a few km here or there?
To worry about a few kilometers "here or there" makes no real difference to me. I agree with @Flog.
Dearest Pilgrims,
Perhaps the answer is obvious to others, but I am unable to determine why Wise Pilgrim provides a distance of 767km from SJPDP to SDC and Brierley gives a distance of 778.5km.
Wise Pilgrim on the Napoleon arrives at Roncesvalles with 742.7km left to SDC while poor Brierley must walk 753.4km to reach the same destination.
Again, at Pamplona, WP is only 700.4km from SDC while unfortunate Brierley is 731.5km distant.
Does someone know why WP doesn't need to walk as far as Brierley? Seem unfair to me.
I like this response.It's a matter of shoe size. Wise Pilgrim wears a 42 while poor Brierley wears a 40. If you wear a 45 it's only 653.3 km.
It doesn't matter. Let the Compostela decide the kilometers. But for all of us, the Camino is a numbers game.
The Pilgrims Office does .
Not especially for the Compostela but more for the certificate of distance.
They changed the system. Last year as a volunteer you could consult the computer for a certain distance .
SJPDP to Santiago is 749 kms
Lisbon 655km etc etc .
My Distance Certificate received in June 2022 stated 779km SJPdP to SdCMy official Distance Certificate from 2017 even states 799 km as the distance from SJPP to SdC.
Oh, I love this expressionAlso known as "decimal dust."
I post this with a smile because my Compostela records the distance from SJPDP to SDC as 799km.... what's a kilometre or two when amongst new friends. Buen Camino.... and the Pilgrim Office will tell you it's 775km.
What might seem like a big difference now will be in the noise by the time you reach Santiago. You will have walked a little more each day finding an albergue, doing your shopping and wandering around the town finding somewhere to eat.
Why anyone would think it is unfair is beyond me. There were many variations to every pilgrimage route I have walked, few of which made the distance any shorter! A guide author chooses one to describe, and might explain where complementary routes can be taken. They don't describe these in minute detail every time.
Edited to correct the distance acknowledged by the Pilgrim Office.
Also, with experience I have learned to transcend time and space so the usual kilometers don’t count the same.
The distance BY ROAD (in a car) is 790 Km. However, the foot path is shorter, as you are compelled to walk up and down every hill and mountain, whereas, vehicles travel on roads that were build to reduce vertical grades.
You're only trying to make me envious!!I post this with a smile because my Compostela records the distance from SJPDP to SDC as 799km.... what's a kilometre or two when amongst new friends. Buen Camino.
Just walked through Roncesvalles today. There is a new mojón with the Camino distance to Santiago a few meters in front of the 790 km road sign.The distance BY ROAD (in a car) is 790 Km. However, the foot path is shorter, as you are compelled to walk up and down every hill and mountain, whereas vehicles travel in roads that were build to reduce vertical grades
I gave this a little thought. 799 is better than it saying 800. No one seeing the figure of 800 would believe it wasn't rounded up significantly. Besides, the 799 figure gives you the opportunity to tell a little story "Actually I walked 823 kilometers because I ...".My official Distance Certificate from 2017 even states 799 km as the distance from SJPP to SdC.
This is what I saw shortly before (and practically right next to) Roland FountainJust walked through Roncesvalles today. There is a new mojón with the Camino distance to Santiago a few meters in front of the 790 km road sign.
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SheThe OP hasn’t been back since his original post. Look how much mileage he’s got out of this!?
I was just being a bit silly -Unfair?
Do 30 kilometers in totality make such a difference?
Again do not overthink it.
I remember twelve years ago I had no apps to guide me and I remember the mojones in Galicia where the kilometers neither made sense with their number after the comma...
Ha! Great idea!!!!Perhaps there is a slight difference in paths indicated on the maps. You could follow along the exact maps, side by side, and identify where one took a variant that the other didn't. You could also compare the elevations and terrain to decide which one was unfair.
Me too!And yet, the official distance, as quoted by the Pilgrim's Office is 779km, and has been for some years.
But outside of all this, does it really matter in the scheme of things, a few km here or there? It's a month more or less, walking from one end of Spain to the other, and it's the guts of 800km, isn't that good enough? It's good enough for me..
Well now! Talk about discrepancies!
I'd be confused, too! Very confused. Puzzled in fact.This is what I saw shortly before (and practically right next to) Roland Fountain
Sort of got me confused because I obviously did not just walked 30+km from SJPdP
Stone says 765 KM
Yep - got it!If you look at the different apps they all have different distances.
Or maybe just add an extra digit on the end- then it would be TRULY impressive. Ha!I gave this a little thought. 799 is better than it saying 800. No one seeing the figure of 800 would believe it wasn't rounded up significantly. Besides, the 799 figure gives you the opportunity to tell a little story "Actually I walked 823 kilometers because I ...".
On the other hand, it really wouldn't have hurt them to say 801.
I, too wish to transcend time and space. Maybe with enough experience???????????????When you measure the distance from one place to Santiago, you have to pick a path. There are a number of places along the Camino Francés where you have two choices of unequal length. If John chooses one of them to measure along and I chose the other well then our sums will never be the same.
Also, with experience I have learned to transcend time and space so the usual kilometers don’t count the same.
Doug - I wasn't being serious.... and the Pilgrim Office will tell you it's 775km.
What might seem like a big difference now will be in the noise by the time you reach Santiago. You will have walked a little more each day finding an albergue, doing your shopping and wandering around the town finding somewhere to eat.
Why anyone would think it is unfair is beyond me. There were many variations to every pilgrimage route I have walked, few of which made the distance any shorter! A guide author chooses one to describe, and might explain where complementary routes can be taken. They don't describe these in minute detail every time.
Edited to correct the distance acknowledged by the Pilgrim Office.
Sabs - just kidding!Unfair?
Do 30 kilometers in totality make such a difference?
Again do not overthink it.
I remember twelve years ago I had no apps to guide me and I remember the mojones in Galicia where the kilometers neither made sense with their number after the comma...
Oh Prentiss! That's why! Thanks for figuring it out and sharing!It's a matter of shoe size. Wise Pilgrim wears a 42 while poor Brierley wears a 40. If you wear a 45 it's only 653.3 km.
I became familiar with the term “decimal dust “ when I worked at a federal agency in Washington DC in the early 1990’s. It was used to refer to our agency’s very small annual budget approved by Congress.Oh, I love this expression. Never heard it before.
So it means "insignificant amount" in general when compared to a larger amount and "too many decimal digits" in particular (nice one here: https://themetricmaven.com/pardon-the-decimal-dust/ and here: https://wordspy.com/words/decimal-dust/).
How I wish I had known this expression when I walked through Galicia. I am one of those people who could not care less about the exact distance in kilometres between SJPP and SdC but gets terribly irritated by the three digits after the decimal comma on the mojones. And there are many mojones between the border of Galicia and Santiago. I tried not to look at them.
Rolostorm ..... you are not the only person who has said that to me (not here, but in real life). I am joking - I'm sorry, I didnt think it would be hard to tell... shudda known better .... LOLLol.....hard to tell if you are joking.....you sound so sincere!!
And I am very short. Does that mean more paces and shorter distance?John Brierley is very tall. Fewer paces but longer distance
I usually walk alone. But once a year I meet up with a friend who is about 4" taller than me and we walk for a week or two together. Height matters!And I am very short. Does that mean more paces and shorted distance
I'm baaaack! She.The OP hasn’t been back since his original post. Look how much mileage he’s got out of this!?
You're back and I gotta say that I love your humorous replies! You are very "like"able.I'm baaaack! She.
That mojone presumes one is walking. The road sign addresses the distance when driving.Just walked through Roncesvalles today. There is a new mojón with the Camino distance to Santiago a few meters in front of the 790 km road sign.
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These help with intent.
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You must have missed the wry DOC smile Doug... having heard your accent !My wife calls these 'walkers lies'. She coined the phrase when we were walking the Milford track nearly a decade ago. When she asked a DOC worker repairing part of the track what the track was like ahead, the response was 'its level for quite a while' despite the climb we could see ahead of us.
If there was one, it must have been fleetingly brief, and we certainly didn't detect it. And as for the scurrilous suggestion that we Australians have an accent ...You must have missed the wry DOC smile Doug... having heard your accent !
There is (or was) a shop in Llanberis selling coffee and outdoor gear. Run by a New Zealander. On a shelf there was a basket of those long metal spiky things campers use to hold the tent to the ground. The handwritten label on it said "tint pigs".And as for the scurrilous suggestion that we Australians have an accent ...
Long memories of your mr Chappell !If there was one, it must have been fleetingly brief, and we certainly didn't detect it. And as for the scurrilous suggestion that we Australians have an accent ...
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