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Kiwi-family

{Rachael, the Mama of the family}
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I have put a little summary of this walk on my blog - am copying and pasting here in case it is of interest to anyone. I could also include details of stages we took, map (for our non-traditional stage), places we stayed, costs etc if anyone is interested. But not til we get home - there's still one day to enjoy Lisbon!!

Doing the Camino Portuguese was a spontaneous decision for us. We are familiar enough with camino-ing now that we could pack our bags and be off in no time at all. When we first decided to walk again, we thought we'd do the Camino Madrid, but the kids urged us to go somewhere different and we listened. However, we did very little planning and other than knowing that many people have walked this route and loved it, we did not have much idea what was involved. We glanced at a guide, but elected to just read the relevant pages each evening before walking rather than reading up before we left.

So there were a lot of surprises for us.

First of all, the good......

The food was very inexpensive, very tasty and the variety of pastries outshone Spanish ones. Not that the Spanish ones are bad, but they are largely limited to croissants or chocolate napolitanas, whereas along the Portuguese there are all sorts. Add to that a wide range of seafood, from Rob's favourite word "chiperones" (squid) to cod, from octopus to whole sardines. And then there's pig in all its forms (bacon, ham, smokey, not, shaved, thick, roast, you name it!) And don't forget the fruit - right now berries and cherries, peaches (especially flattos), melons - and the promise of a grape harvest to come. In fact, at the end of the day, we will remember this as a Food Camino. That's how good it was!

Likewise, the albergues were good to exceptional. Being a less busy route than the Frances, there was no rush to get a bed, and there was only one night that every bed in the municipal albergue was taken (at O Porinno). They were also cheap - usually 5 euros per person. Additionally, there is quite some variety. In only twelve days of walking we stayed in two monasteries and two family homes as well as the more "standard" accommodations. If anyone were contemplating this route, I would recommend they make an effort to stop at these places - the monasteries at Vairoa and Herbon, Casa de Fernanda at XXX and Quinta Estrada Romana just after XXX. Another fantastic albergue, which has only just opened and has the most amazing facilities we came across is at Arcade. There are also private pensions and hotels in many towns. The accommodations may not appear as frequently as on the Framces, but they were close enough to provide flexibility. It must have worked out about half the time that we tentatively headed for one location, but ended up walking on further without the distances being too excessive (33km was our longest day and that included wandering round a town).

The way marking is faultless and so frequent (almost to the point of excessive in places) that there is no room for doubt.* In fact, if way markings were the only consideration, this would be an excellent first Camino.

However, there are a couple of other factors that make me hesitant to unreservedly recommend this route, especially to a first-timer.

Firstly, this route begins in Portugal (being called the Portiguese-n-all) and that means there are Portiguese drivers. Now before you accuse me of being too harsh or making too broad a generalization, I will admit my observations are based on only one week's walking in the country. However, I will add that everyone we have spoken with reached the same conclusion. A Swiss gentleman we met succinctly stated, "The Portuguese drive fast and don't give a damn!" In other (more polite) words, drivers show complete disregard for pedestrians. They drive fast, even on the narrow lanes that wind through villages. This is in total contrast to Spanish drivers, who slow down as they approach, possibly give you a wave, and definitely stop if you are standing anywhere near a pedestrian crossing.

Additionally, this route has quite a bit of road walking, and in places where there is little or no shoulder. While we did not mention it in earlier blogposts so that no-one would worry, there were sections that felt (or were) dangerous.

Another drawback to this route is the relative lack of scenic interest. Of the seven routes I have now done, this is the least stunning. The others were spectacular, and the Portuguese just cannot compete. There are very few long stretches in nature - mostly you are walking from one village or town that fairly seamlessly merges into the next one. We even felt at times that the nature trails were an ideal place for weirdos (for lack of a better word) to hang out - conveniently close to residential areas, but providing cover. (On the other hand, there are women who have walked this route solo and never felt in danger).

Finally, the cobblestones. From Porto to Xxxxx (check location and insert - Barcelos? Tui?) there are long punishing stretches of uneven blister-causing soul-destroying cobbles. Consider yourself warned!

By now I must sound like a real cheer germ! I don't mean to dissuade you from choosing this path, but to highlight what you might encounter. Actually, if you are someone who wants to use English as the lingua franca, this could be the perfect Camino - almost everyone speaks at least some - and often excellent - English. If you want a Camino that you don't need to carry food on, this would be ideal (that is, the Central route is well-littered with bars; the coastal route not so much). And if you want a Camino where you meet all sorts of interesting people, then chances are high this route would provide - that was certainly our experience! (Just make sure you have well-cushioned shoes or sandals and a high visibility vest)

* faultless way marking comment: the exception that proves the rule here is O Porinno, where the locals have blacked out the arrows - just follow the black and you'll be right. Then when you get to the River versus Bridge option immediately before the town, take the river again - it will take you directly to the Municipal Albergue.
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
I totally agree with what Rachael writes here. We met a couple of nights ago in Santiago and discussed precisely this negative factor regarding the discomfort of walking for often very long stages on these " quaint" Portuguese roads! Not to mention the incredible recklessness of a large chunk of the Portuguese drivers!
We ( Adriaan and me) would suggest starting in Barcelos, rather than Porto, as there were more walkable paths with less discomfort for your feet and less chance of finishing up under a car!
 
Many thanks for the info....we will walk from Valenca to SdC starting around August 8th..am looking forward to the challenges of a new path:-)
 
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I have to agree that I was surprised with the amount of road / shoulder walking that felt dangerous (from Tui). Luckily the cobblestone streets weren't an issue on the Spanish side. While there were many sections with excellent and impressive views of the Rias through some beautiful areas, (and the visit to the waterfall at Barosa was exceptional) I found the English to be more picturesque overall. A different experience, though, as I did appreciate the additional infrastructure on the Portuguese.

Honestly, it never once occurred to me, even as a woman walking alone, that the wooded areas near residential areas would be hiding weirdos! Of course one always needs to be aware of surroundings, but I hope that comment doesn't cause undue concern for other peregrinas.
 
I am confused, I have been reading the Portuguese forum for a few weeks now and most posters say it's a beautiful route. Now the Kiwi-family have put doubts in my head. This was going to be our next Camino.
 
I can understand your confusion. Don't forget though that Kiwi-family walked what is described in the post as a non-traditional route. I haven't walked the CP personally and sometimes also get a little confused.

Perhaps taking up the offer of seeing the 'map/route' actually walked might help you?

Buen Camino
No, they sais theynhad untradiotional stages, not the route.
 
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I lasted just four walking days from Porto to Ponte de Lima, due to the cobblestones and road walking. The cobblestones did a number on my ankle. I remember squishing up to the guardrail with a bus coming towards me and I could hear a truck coming from behind and I screamed in fright as they met beside me. So I don't think that I will go back to finish the Portuguese camino. I love Portugal, the food, the people and the scenery but the walking was just too difficult for me.
 
I am confused, I have been reading the Portuguese forum for a few weeks now and most posters say it's a beautiful route. Now the Kiwi-family have put doubts in my head. This was going to be our next Camino.

Marbuck, I found it beautiful, but not in a strictly "natural" sense (for that, I'll be walking the Primitivo next month.) The beaches north of Porto were stunning, and the walk throughout Portugal was a wonderful architectural tour -- from the Romanesque to the Baroque, from medieval stone bridges to quirky, colorful little houses. Yes, a good portion of the walk is through developed areas, but they're not necessarily ugly -- "developed" in Portugal often means quaint, historical villages offering a glimpse into local life (there were indeed a couple of horrible industrial zones, but these sections usually offered a picturesque alternative route along the river.) The scenery became much more lush and natural as I approached Galicia -- long stretches of woods, rivers, mossy tunnels, wonderful views of the mountains overlooking the Rias Baixas. And Tui and Pontevedra are both gorgeous cities worth exploring.

I'm happy to recommend the CP -- especially if you're a coffee-lover, because Portuguese coffee is among the best in the world :p -- but I HIGHLY recommend walking the coastal route out of Porto and taking the "river option" whenever you see one :)
 
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[...] Portuguese coffee is among the best in the world :p -- but I HIGHLY recommend walking the coastal route out of Porto and taking the "river option" whenever you see one :)
On the coffee: try the Costa Rican and change opinion:p
When commenting on the Camino Portugues, one should specify the route (Lisbon, Porto, litoral, central, Braga, etc.) We walked a mixture from Porto this month: first the coast to Vila do Conde, then across to Arcos and going up North on the Central.
I am biased by having walked many other Caminos. The Portugues has few interesting stretches to walk (like the river walk before Pontevedra). Some are outright dangerous (ascent after Ponte de Lima) Most larger towns are worth visiting: Porto, Barcelos, Ponte de Lima, Valença, Pontevedra, etc.
We walked the Camino Espiritual, basically skirting the classical Camino from Pontevedra to Padron. From Combarro to the Monastry of Armenteira the climb is exhausing, on a few occasions poorly marked, and void of any sign of people and related activities:rolleyes:. After Armenteira the Pedra y Agua trail is stunning (approx. 6km.), the Dumia river walk is relaxing, but the remainder from Pontearnelas to Vilanova de Arousa is soso. The 1 hour boat trip from Vilanova to Padron is a gimmick which allows for containing the time of this alternative, as compared to the "standard" Camino from Pontevedra to Caldas de Reis and Padron.
During most of the days (first half of June) we had unbearably hot weather. Fountains were rare and often "uncontrolled" so we stocked up bottles in the first bar or shop we met.
An outstanding highlight of staying between Porto and Santiago was the atmosphere at Casa Fernanda (between Tamel and Ponte de Lima). :)
 
I did the Litoral from Porto to SdC this year - last week of May (hot) first week of June (very hot) - and, compared to the Frances (walked 3 times) I found it hard both physically and psychologically.

Physically because although there are no mountain ranges there are long flat stretches that are surfaced with cut stones (technically cobbles are round stones, what the Portuguese use are granite stone setts or pavé - sorry, I'm a highway engineer!) and I found these really sapped my energy - far more than the traditional house to house concrete roads you find in Spainish village!

I wore Merrell hiking shoes (in reality beefed up trainers) with cushioned soles and was so glad I didn't use my conventional and heavier boots.

Psychologically because the monotony of the pounding on hard highway surfaces rather than tracks and trails just made me "switch-off" to the extend that, two weeks later, I can barely remember ANY enjoyable walking except the riverside walk into Pontevedra. That climbing walk along the road from A Guarda to Oia was just sheer drudgery.

OK, I've done the Frances three times so more of the landscape is seared into my memory but this one? No, nothing.

Portugal is lovely, the people are welcoming, the food is fabulous and we never had any problems with drivers but as far as walking it goes I'd rather do the Mesata in driving rain in February than walk the CP again!
 
Jeff, you break my heart as that is the route I was thinking of doing. I met a Portuguese on the Primitivo who has apparently written books about the Camino and he was of the opinion that before Porto was asking for punishment, not after. Who thought a steep hill would be a welcomed site on a Camino . Any special advice when it comes to footwear? Extra cushionning? Extra stiffness?

For your next Camino head to the Primitivo, but don't tell anyone else about how wonderful it is.
 
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Don't forget "your mileage may vary" - the CP could be YOUR ideal camino!

So much of the experience was wonderful, Pontevedra is a jewel in the CP, it was the walking that was the disappointment!

My choice of footwear - Merrell Yokotas. Light, supposedly waterproof (we never saw any rain) and easy on the heels were so comfortable I was able to wear them in the evenings rather than the shoes I'd taken with me - wouldn't want to do that with conventional boots.

They didn't require any wearing-in and the 275km barely caused any wear and tear.

I WAS a little concerned about ankle support and they did feel a little odd (naked ankles!) at first but never had any trouble over the stonier climbs and descents.

Buen camino perigrino!
 
An experience I'd like to share is the difficulty of street side walking around Pedra Furada. I almost got collected by a speeding motorist who like many, did not slow down for pedestrians. The cobblestones in Portugal seem different and harder on the feet than those in Spain.
There are many lovely sections in some parts of the CP and the nine days I spent walking from Porto to SdC were enjoyable. I agree that there are less trails to manage and less open spaces on the CP, unlike let's say the CF. But overall it is still a great Camino for those who only have a few days to spare in their busy lives.
 
I did the Litoral from Porto to SdC this year - last week of May (hot) first week of June (very hot) - and, compared to the Frances (walked 3 times) I found it hard both physically and psychologically.

Physically because although there are no mountain ranges there are long flat stretches that are surfaced with cut stones (technically cobbles are round stones, what the Portuguese use are granite stone setts or pavé - sorry, I'm a highway engineer!) and I found these really sapped my energy - far more than the traditional house to house concrete roads you find in Spainish village!
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You are correct about these stones! I called them cobblestones, as everyone else did, but in fact they are set stones. These approx 10 cm square rough cut stones ( no smoothing or rounding off - but then these roads weren't made for the benefit of Pilgrims) really make your feet and legs tired. Most people we spoke to got blisters, including Adriaan, who in his 7 previous Caminos has never had a blister and me only back in 2007, when I was a novice!
I found that I became tired much quicker and was happy to walk short distances daily, instead if the usual 20/26km. (Maybe we should put this down to age):(
 
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I and my wife did the Camino in the 1990's on several routes through France and Spain when we lived the UK. We did this primarily because of our passion for medieval history. Now we live in Tomar, Portugal, very close to the 'Portuguese Caminho'. Individual experiences of different routes will always be subjective. The only way to know about each of the Camino routes is try them for yourselves. This Forum thread starts out with some positive personal experiences and ends with some negative personal experiences. But many of the contributions that follow dwell on the negative rather than the positive. Modern day users of Pilgrim routes will have their own, differing, reasons for doing them and their own differing experiences of what they experience on them. I admit to bias about Portugal. I love the country and its generous, friendly, welcoming people. I recently drove along part of the Spanish Camino. I was surprised at how commercialised the Camino Santiago has become. I stopped off at a four star hotel catering for "Pilgrims" who don't want to 'rough it' and have their luggage transported by car along the way. I was also amazed at just how many people were walking on the Camino. If that is what people want then that is for them. The development and use of the Portuguese Caminho for modern day walkers is much more recent than in France and Spain. The Portuguese Pilgrim route from Lisbon to Santiago started 900 years ago. For nearly all of those years it was used only by deeply religious Pilgrims who saw the hardship of doing the route as one of the reasons why they did it. I think it fair to say that if you want to experience "Pilgrimage" as it was in times past you are much more likely to come close to it on the Portuguese routes than any of the other routes. The joy of all the Camino's I did over the years was the differences in all of them. The Portuguese Caminho is different from all the other Routes. Each part of it is different from the other. Each has its own challenges as well as it own rewards. I have my own memories of my personal experiences on the Camino in France, Spain and Portugal. I recommend all of them to everyone.
 
Thank you all, I appreciate all the comments and observations. As two "oldies' contemplating the Portuguese route in approximately 60 days time, we have taken notes and with some trepidation regarding the reports of some of the Portuguese drivers. However we, like everyone, will "Walk our own Camino" and report on the experiences in the hope it helps others.
 
Thank you all, I appreciate all the comments and observations. As two "oldies' contemplating the Portuguese route in approximately 60 days time, we have taken notes and with some trepidation regarding the reports of some of the Portuguese drivers. However we, like everyone, will "Walk our own Camino" and report on the experiences in the hope it helps others.
As a "Portuguese driver" myself I will say that the speed of driving in Portugal on country roads is often higher than in other countries. However Pilgrim road deaths or serious accidents to them are tiny in comparison to the number of Pilgrims walking. But it is always wise to take care, particularly when walking on roads with no adjacent foot ways. Two simple precautions when walking on roads. Wear a high vis vest - light and easy to pack and can be taken off when not on roads. Always walk facing the oncoming traffic. Enjoy Portugal and have a safe Caminho (the Portuguese spelling).
 
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Thank you Peter Tomar - Comments and suggestions, much appreciated. Looking forward to experiencing Portugal towards end of August
 
However we, like everyone, will "Walk our own Camino" and report on the experiences in the hope it helps others.

Yes. Please report back. My wife and I were really looking forward to doing this Camino from Lisbon next April but have been put off a bit by all the negative comments. There is a lot of road walking on both the CF and the le Puy routes so that does not really worry us as we have done both of them and really enjoyed our experience.
 
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Yes. Please report back. My wife and I were really looking forward to doing this Camino from Lisbon next April but have been put off a bit by all the negative comments. There is a lot of road walking on both the CF and the le Puy routes so that does not really worry us as we have done both of them and really enjoyed our experience.
We will be very pleased to share anything we can with you
 
Thanks Liz. I see you intend to walk to Finisterre also, that is our destination next year. Because of rain we bussed it to Finisterre last year from SDC then walked to Muxia, that was one of the highlights of our entire walk. You will love it, a beautiful walk. Take your time and do it in two days, spending a night in the lovely village of Lires. I can recommend Casa Rual Ph. 981 748 156. Rual has a really nice place and he is a great guy. looking forward to reading about your Camino.
 
Thanks Liz. I see you intend to walk to Finisterre also, that is our destination next year. Because of rain we bussed it to Finisterre last year from SDC then walked to Muxia, that was one of the highlights of our entire walk. You will love it, a beautiful walk. Take your time and do it in two days, spending a night in the lovely village of Lires. I can recommend Casa Rual Ph. 981 748 156. Rual has a really nice place and he is a great guy. looking forward to reading about your Camino.
Thanks , so much for info. We make our plans and dreams, but are always aware of the need for flexibility. We may need to bus to Finisterre and then Muxia is a possibility too and have noted Lires.
 
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Thanks , so much for info. We make our plans and dreams, but are always aware of the need for flexibility. We may need to bus to Finisterre and then Muxia is a possibility too and have noted Lires.

Are you starting from Lisbon or Porto?
 
This Forum thread starts out with some positive personal experiences and ends with some negative personal experiences. But many of the contributions that follow dwell on the negative rather than the positive. Modern day users of Pilgrim routes will have their own, differing, reasons for doing them and their own differing experiences of what they experience on them.
Yes yes yes! Before I did this walk, I had heard only rave reviews with the odd comment about cobblestones. As my own experience was somewhat different I felt it might be a beneficial contribution to the forum to be able to share my observations. I did not intend for it to become a "Let's diss the Portugues Route Thread".
My husband and I have reached the conclusion we would not object to walking this route again, and might even like to walk from Lisbon (despite the scenery from the train not being inspiring) IF we had friends who particularly wanted to do it together (otherwise we would be inclined to choose a different route). In no way do we regret walking this route. It will be fondly remembered as our Good Food Camino!
 
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Are you starting from Lisbon or Porto?
From Lisbon but we will be using bus or train transport some of the way to Porto as we wish to visit Fatima, Braga and spend some time in Coimbra and wherever takes our fancy. We hope then to walk all the way from Porto
 
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Thank you all, I appreciate all the comments and observations. As two "oldies' contemplating the Portuguese route in approximately 60 days time, we have taken notes and with some trepidation regarding the reports of some of the Portuguese drivers. However we, like everyone, will "Walk our own Camino" and report on the experiences in the hope it helps others.

Please do keep us posted. I am hoping to do CP in 2016 having done CF last year but I must admit this post is causing me to think twice.
 
Yes yes yes! Before I did this walk, I had heard only rave reviews with the odd comment about cobblestones. As my own experience was somewhat different I felt it might be a beneficial contribution to the forum to be able to share my observations. I did not intend for it to become a "Let's diss the Portugues Route Thread".
My husband and I have reached the conclusion we would not object to walking this route again, and might even like to walk from Lisbon (despite the scenery from the train not being inspiring) IF we had friends who particularly wanted to do it together (otherwise we would be inclined to choose a different route). In no way do we regret walking this route. It will be fondly remembered as our Good Food Camino!
Kiwi family - we really appreciate your comments on the Portuguese Camino and it is a valuable contribution and makes us aware of how the journey may be. Yes we have trepidations but this often happens when venturing into unknown territories. Thank you for your honest comments.
 
Please do keep us posted. I am hoping to do CP in 2016 having done CF last year but I must admit this post is causing me to think twice.
I will be happy to share our experiences, though everyone's journey is so different. We are in the older age bracket and aware of flexibility in plans. Happy planning viv1959
 
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Please do keep us posted. I am hoping to do CP in 2016 having done CF last year but I must admit this post is causing me to think twice.
Could I say "thinking twice" may be beneficial, so long as you don't immediately jump to the conclusion that you shouldn't do it! Of course, it MIGHT be that you come to that conclusion, but equally you might not. If you want to speak Portuguese, this would be a very good route (especially if you start from Lisbon). If you want to meet Portuguese people, you will find no better route! If cost is a consideration this one can be very inexpensive. If good food is on your agenda you will not be disappointed. If you like communal meals you can make stops that cater to that desire etc etc. There will be many reasons to do this route - and if you choose to do it, I hope my little precautionary warnings will be of assistance to you (essentially 1- have cushioned shoes - I did it blister-free in thin sandals, but next time I would take a thicker-soled sandal like Keens Newport which I have used before, 2- wear a high vis vest and face oncoming traffic, 3- don't expect stunning scenery and you won't be disappointed, and 4- always take the river route when there is an option to and ignore all other "this is the real camino" markings)

Now that I've been back in cold NZ for two days, I'd happily be back on the hot Portuguese in a heartbeat;-)
 
I walked the coastal route with my son this past May. I loved it! Every day brought different scenery. I loved watching the coast change as we headed to Spain. I fell in love with Viana do Castelo! We both loved the Portuguese people, food, and landscape--to the point of disappointment of Spain. I kept telling my son (and me, a little, too) to keep an open heart to Spain. We did love Spain, but we were so happy that I had us return to Porto afterwards. We most have been very lucky. Lovely weather. No cobblestones. Roadside walking, yes, but not so bad. Mostly plenty of shoulders. The area outside of Fao was a bit tight. We were careful. We found the Portuguese drivers courteous.

I would recommend this Camino, particularly the Coastal Route!
 
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I am confused, I have been reading the Portuguese forum for a few weeks now and most posters say it's a beautiful route. Now the Kiwi-family have put doubts in my head. This was going to be our next Camino.
Marbuck,
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I have nothing negative to report of my 2012 may (Porto to SDC) . It was my first Camino and I was hooked. I found it beautiful ! I wasn't comparing to another route. I loved it. I have some beautiful pics (to me ) reminding me of the walk and the people I met.


The kiwi family have walked the Salvador/primitivo recently. Since Cp I've walked Cf , the Norte, and last month the Salvador/ Primitivo also. Now this last one (Salvador/primitivo) is a little akin the how you feel when you watch the movie 'the sound of music'. It's hard to cap scenery wise, mountain views. So it's only relative. It is a pilgrimage. They are just giving negative and positives. There are sections of road walking on all the routes. You'll enjoy the CP.

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I would recommend this Camino, particularly the Coastal Route!

On the coastal route was there any beach walking? My wife knees give her a hard time on sand.
 
Excellent reports! But right now temperatures have gone higher and are soaring well beyond "hot":mad:
Just a quick hello to you and your good lady.It seems a long time since we met on C/P,and I have told family I hope to be back on Camino for my 70th in 2017.we. may meet again.philip
 
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There was one short walk--the boardwalk was not complete, but it was just yards--no trouble. Mostly Boardwalk, trails, and paved roads. We did meet a couple who walked the beach up to Viana, but we followed the arrows through a lovely Ecualtptus forest, over a river and through the woods. It was lovely!

Here is my Instagram stream with a couple of photos posted for each day. You don't have to join to see my feed:

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A girl we had just met on that stretch chose to go up to the road - we went down to the sand. (BTW, this pic is looking back to where we had come from which is why the sea is on the right!)
Somewhere between Matosinhos and Vila Cha.IMG_2641.webp
 
The bit over the beach was quite a struggle! Soon this board walk (before Vila Chá) will be complete.;)
 
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Boardwalk! Ah, boardwalk! I think I actually started giggling after finding boardwalk where I was expecting pavement. Thanks for bringing back that memory.
 
Walked the Portuguese from Porto last month. Up the coast to Vila do Conda and then inland via Rates. Stayed at Casa de Fernanda. Loved it. Cobblestones, yes, blisters, no. Would thoroughly recommend this route.
 
Perhaps it's completed now, because we walked that section about a month ago and they were working on it.
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