- Time of past OR future Camino
- Too many and too often!
The Santiago pilgrim office Compostela total for today was 1,894. That brings the total count for the year so far to 401,389. About 2% more than at the same point last year.
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Haven't seen any data about that. I would be one of them this year. My impression is that the proportion of pilgrims who do not ask for a Compostela is increasing but I have no evidence to support that feeling.Interesting.
Has anyone done any studies recently on how many people DON'T get a Compostela?
That would be like counting the stars we can’t see. Does anyone know how many pilgrims don’t eat the Menu Peregrino? I think we should be toldInteresting.
Has anyone done any studies recently on how many people DON'T get a Compostela?
I was wondering about that, as I got one for my first camino this year but not for my second. It somehow felt irrelevant.Haven't seen any data about that. I would be one of them this year. My impression is that the proportion of pilgrims who do not ask for a Compostela is increasing but I have no evidence to support that feeling.
And even more relevant is that last years overall total was less than 2019 and so predictions that somehow the numbers walking this year would exceed the capacity of the various Caminos have proved false.I think the important part of that datum is best paired with the recent entries from everyone walking the Camino.
It's still pretty crowded at lodgings...
Last year's total was 438,307, and 2019's total was 347,566 - there were 90,741 more Compostelas issued in 2022 than 2019.And even more relevant is that last years overall total was less than 2019
Whilst in general that's true - many times we've heard reports of 1/2 empty municipals, for example - there are those pinch points where people can really struggle.The various Caminos can easily deal with the numbers currently walking and experienced pilgrims will know that the Spring and Autumn busy periods are indeed busy but easily handled as far as accommodation is concerned.
Her view was that God knew she was on the camino, knew why she was on Camino, so why on earth did she need a piece of paper to prove it? She would rather spend the time that it would have taken to collect it in prayer.
I, too - they’re family…. . But even that side of the family is divided on this one.I also know many practising Catholics to whom the Compostela is very important and who will collect it everytime they reach Santiago
I, too, on Good Friday, a VERY busy day indeed- seriously impressed with the staff and the service.and I was in an out of the Oficina very rapidly.
Has anyone done any studies recently on how many people DON'T get a Compostela?
You not claiming one makes a difference of over a thousand? How many times have you walked this year so far?I did not get one this year.
...so I guess that makes it 399,000
I’m not religious but have got a Compostella on each of the 3 caminos I have done. It was a nice souvenir at the end of an enjoyable walk. The vast majority of folks (90% +) I met were getting a Compostella, though I sensed most of them weren’t religious though obviously I can’t be sure of that. As long as it is relatively quick and easy I will get one next time.I, too - they’re family…. . But even that side of the family is divided on this one.
Even the non- catholic side of the family ( mine) is divided, and again, not necessarily as to whether they’re believer’s or not.
But the non religious among us?
I, too, on Good Friday, a VERY busy day indeed- seriously impressed with the staff and the service.
You not claiming one makes a difference of over a thousand? How many times have you walked this year so far?
My late mother-in-law walked the Camino Frances in 1985. Amongst her other talents she was a skilled maker of gold and silver jewellery. When she got back to London she made herself a small silver scallop shell pendant. She lent it to me to wear on my first Camino. I'm not a fan of bling normally but I treasured that one and made sure to return it to her safe and sound.A tradition we have after we complete the camino and receive our Compostelas is to go to the same jewelry store and buy a gold camino shell which I wear on a gold chain necklace. Some prefer tatoos, I prefer Camino bling! Bob
Bob, if you don't mind me asking do you hang it for religious reasons or because you are proud of your accomplishment? Or both, I guess.I collected my fifth Compostela yesterday and will proudly frame it and hang in our home in a place of honor. There were only 30 pilgrims in queue ahead of me so the wait was not long.
A tradition we have after we complete the camino and receive our Compostelas is to go to the same jewelry store and buy a gold camino shell which I wear on a gold chain necklace. Some prefer tatoos, I prefer Camino bling! Bob
You've got your math's backwards - you mean the real total should be 401,000!I did not get one this year.
...so I guess that makes it 399,000
Bob, if you don't mind me asking do you hang it for religious reasons or because you are proud of your accomplishment? Or both, I guess.
Or is it simply a lovely Souvenir?
As I have mentioned before on other threads I am genuinely curious as to why people get a Compostela if they're not religious - specifically, Catholic.
Incidentally I recall you writing on another thread - or if not somebody else has the same idea - about your 'bling'. I think it's a great idea.
I guess I needed more coffee!You've got your math's backwards - you mean the real total should be 401,000!
Actually, 401, 001 - I only claimed my first one......
I've seen one -- it's about a 1 to 5 proportion overall, so add about 15% to the official numbers.Interesting.
Has anyone done any studies recently on how many people DON'T get a Compostela?
That would be like counting the stars we can’t see. Does anyone know how many pilgrims don’t eat the Menu Peregrino? I think we should be told
That's interesting. Where did they get the data on the number of people not requesting a Compostela?I've seen one -- it's about a 1 to 5 proportion overall, so add about 15% to the official numbers.
It's a much smaller proportion in winter, and a higher one in summer.
IIRC it was a research project over many months, over a year I think, involving interviews in SdC plus comparison between pilgrim stats in Albergues etc. near Santiago and Pilgrim Office ones.That's interesting. Where did they get the data on the number of people not requesting a Compostela?
Forgot to get two stamps per day… A tragic result of thinking too muchSchrödinger's Cat
And then you would still have to add all those pilgrims that don't end their Camino in Santiago de Compostela. Impossible count...IIRC it was a research project over many months, over a year I think, involving interviews in SdC plus comparison between pilgrim stats in Albergues etc. near Santiago and Pilgrim Office ones.
Can't remember precise methodology sorry.
It’s would be a relatively easy piece of work for a survey company, assuming they were properly briefed, and got the sample groups and questions right.And then you would still have to add all those pilgrims that don't end their Camino in Santiago de Compostela. Impossible count...
Well, you're not a pilgrim to Santiago if you don't -- though if you do your Camino in stages, it actually does balance out, statistically.And then you would still have to add all those pilgrims that don't end their Camino in Santiago de Compostela. Impossible count...
No -- the survey area for such a project is larger than Europe.It’s would be a relatively easy piece of work for a survey company, assuming they were properly briefed, and got the sample groups and questions right.
No -- the survey area for such a project is larger than Europe
Sorry I don’t understand what you mean. I didn’t mention the demographics of the sample?No -- the survey area for such a project is larger than Europe.
It would not be an "easy" piece of work.Sorry I don’t understand what you mean. I didn’t mention the demographics of the sample?
Ah ok sure. I have no knowledge of the subject area - ‘Compostella’s’, but a lot of knowledge/experience of research projects so my view is that for a good research company it would be a very deliverable brief irrespective of geographic scope. As always depends on the budget!!! Anyway….!!!It would not be an "easy" piece of work.
A Camino is a Camino, however long or short it is. If you choose to break it up into multiple parts it is still just one Camino. People often talk about how they walked part of the Frances or part of the Salvador.But how would you do that? For example, my last 2 Caminowalks were from Granada to Córdoba on the Mozárabe and from Puebla de Sanabria to Ourense on the Sanabrés (had to quit because of an injury). What kind of survey could register that?
(Apart from how you would count if people walk in - for example - 2 stages to Santiago de Compostela, are these counted as 2 Caminos or as 1?)
No -- the survey area for such a project is larger than Europe.
Don’t want to bore folks to death but research can obv be more than surveys. Indeed often focus groups and 121 interviews (qualitive research) often feesds into surveys (quantitive research). The number you need to do can be quite small as long as it is representative and irons out anomalies.But how would you do that? For example, my last 2 Caminowalks were from Granada to Córdoba on the Mozárabe and from Puebla de Sanabria to Ourense on the Sanabrés (had to quit because of an injury). What kind of survey could register that?
(Apart from how you would count if people walk in - for example - 2 stages to Santiago de Compostela, are these counted as 2 Caminos or as 1?)
Or any studies on what I would call the five-mile faux Compostela crowd. I know a family that arranged a Sarria-Santiago tour and walked a total of maybe 25 miles. It would seem hard to “police” for these if they stop at the right places and get two stamps a day.Interesting.
Has anyone done any studies recently on how many people DON'T get a Compostela?
Agree completely about the 'broader Camino research ' but as to 'hardly a big deal' - Hmmm.Of course ‘who doesn’t get a comspostella’ is hardly a big deal and even if you get a number, what do you do with it. If I was ‘CEO Compostellas’ I would look to get a question maybe included in more broader Camino research!
Many people seem to place quite a bit of importance on the statistics coming through the Pilgrims office. I would assume that the office has a use for them and doesn't just collect them for the sake of it. I have no idea who else utilizes these numbers but assume that various camino related businesses would, for planning purposes, or ordering of inventory for instance. Let alone those completely reliant on Pilgrims..... My impression is that the proportion of pilgrims who do not ask for a Compostela is increasing but I have no evidence to support that feeling.
A valid point and something that has come up on the forum before. Along with the 'jump on and jump off' the bus brigade. Which could of course be included in @TravellingMan22 's wider study!Or any studies on what I would call the five-mile faux Compostela crowd. I know a family that arranged a Sarria-Santiago tour and walked a total of maybe 25 miles. It would seem hard to “police” for these if they stop at the right places and get two stamps a day.
Pilgrimages can have starting points outside of Europe.Incorrect .
A Compostela is only issued in Santiago de Compostela, and so is therefore very easy to measure if you create the correct parameters for a survey, as stated above.
Point 1/ agreedPilgrimages can have starting points outside of Europe.
The question was not about how many pilgrims arriving ; but how many making their way.
It was a secondary question asked by someone else, about how many are engaged on pilgrimages to Santiago.Point 2/ what question? Up until that point the only related question I see was how many people don’t collect a Compostela - i.e. arrive.
It was a secondary question asked by someone else, about how many are engaged on pilgrimages to Santiago.
Which you yourself answeredAnd then you would still have to add all those pilgrims that don't end their Camino in Santiago de Compostela. Impossible count...
Hence the reason for my correction, and subsequent confusionWell, you're not a pilgrim to Santiago if you don't -- though if you do your Camino in stages, it actually does balance out, statistically.
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