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I thought the website was quite explicit: the credencial and the stamps are the certificate. There is no equivalent or substitute of the Compostela. That remains unique to the pilgrim to the bones of Santiago. For the pilgrim to Fatima Fatima is the prize.Yes, I found that website this evening. It is very usefull to collect information about the route, but it does only say something about the credential and about collecting stamps. But not about a certificate. Maybe someone on this forum has walked to Fatima, and expercienced something like recieving it or not.
There's a similar certificate for pilgrims to Rome.That remains unique to the pilgrim to the bones of Santiago.
Indeed. Known as the Testimonium.There's a similar certificate for pilgrims to Rome.
Yes, I got mine in Fatima this year ….. there’s an office near where outside mass is celebrated ….. on the left, looking at Cathedral. Compostellas are issued there.Next summer I will walk from Lisbon to Fatima, take train to Porto and then walk from Porto to Santiago. Does anyone know if it is possible to get a certificate in Fatima as well?
@Gearóid, you've probably surprised most of us. Any chance you could post a photo or a scan of that "compostela"?Yes, I got mine in Fatima this year ….. there’s an office near where outside mass is celebrated ….. on the left, looking at Cathedral. Compostellas are issued there.
My apologies!! I got a stamp there…… I didn’t get a Compostella…….. but a got a blister crossing the hills from Santarem to FatimaYes, I got mine in Fatima this year ….. there’s an office near where outside mass is celebrated ….. on the left, looking at Cathedral. Compostellas are issued there.
My apologies!! I got a stamp there…… I didn’t get a Compostella…….. but a got a blister crossing the hills from Santarem to Fatima.
I think the Testimonium in Rome is a fairly direct attempt to follow the lead of the Caminos and the Compostela. Even the conditions are effectively the same - walk the final 100km and produce a stamped credencial as evidence. The Via Francigena was not really re-established as a walking route until the late 1990s and until the past 10 years or so numbers walking the route have been tiny by Santiago standards. The same is true for the various Olavsleden routes in Norway and Sweden which are recent developments and where the conditions for receiving the Olavsbrevet are much the same. The vast majority of pilgrims to Rome arrive by plane, bus or train. Those of us who turn up on foot are the peculiar exceptions!The certificates for Rome and Santiago suggest a need to settle any doubts that the destination was achieved (in the face of long distances required over very difficult roads and in perilous circumstances; i.e., without certification folks at home might doubt the objective had been made.
No doubt... but I don't think it changes the point I was making. Dates and popularity of certifications, as well as their putative necessity seems to shift over time.I think the Testimonium in Rome is a fairly direct attempt to follow the lead of the Caminos and the Compostela. Even the conditions are effectively the same - walk the final 100km and produce a stamped credencial as evidence. The Via Francigena was not really re-established as a walking route until the late 1990s and until the past 10 years or so numbers walking the route have been tiny by Santiago standards. The same is true for the various Olavsleden routes in Norway and Sweden which are recent developments and where the conditions for receiving the Olavsbrevet are much the same. The vast majority of pilgrims to Rome arrive by plane, bus or train. Those of us who turn up on foot are the peculiar exceptions!
I was refused a credencial in SJPDP on my first Camino. One of the reasons cited was that I was not a member of a confraternity and did not have a letter of recommendation from my local parish priest.But there is a historical record to indicate that one could not head out on the road without some sort of permission (from one's parish priest, from a magistrate).
Disturbing her at lunchtime didn't exactly improve my chances! She had a very clear personal idea of what pilgrimage and pilgrims should be. And defended that concept. I don't think that she was arbitrary or capricious in her judgements. She dedicated a great deal of her time and energy to the Camino. I consider myself fortunate to have met her even if I didn't receive her full approval.Ah, the famous Madame Debril? Lovely lady; great sense of humour...
Amazing! How the ‘rules’ have changed…I was refused a credencial in SJPDP on my first Camino. One of the reasons cited was that I was not a member of a confraternity and did not have a letter of recommendation from my local parish priest.
Really? When was this?I was refused a credencial in SJPDP on my first Camino. One of the reasons cited was that I was not a member of a confraternity and did not have a letter of recommendation from my local parish priest.
1990 IIRC!Really? When was this?
Okay thats a few days ago, hopefully these times are over. I got mine in 2010 and 2012 without any letter or membership.1990 IIRC!
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