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On my CF in warm weather last September, I wore Salomon hiking boots which had Goretex construction. Unfortunately, they reduced breathability too much, so my feet became too hot. At a great little hiking store in Viana, I found some Merrell walking shoes with two great features: wide toe-box, very breathable mesh uppers and good shock absorbing Vibram sole. They saved my Camino. I'll be using them again on CP next week. Obviously, if I get caught out in the rain, they will not resist water getting in. However, they dry quickly and are very light to walk in.I know there have been many threads about that, but felt the need to open a new one - Need to buy a new shoes for Camino Frances.
I had Salomon X Ultra Mid gtx and decided to send them home and buy a low shoe for the camino, as I understood from people here that it’s not a difficult trek (at least the road conditions), and comfort is important for a 30 days trek.
I really want to stick ro the Salomon brand, which I love and suits me well, but trying to decide on which model. The regular X Ultra is an option, as well as their trail running shoes. Tried the speedcross yesterday, and they were very comfortable, like a running shoe, but I’m really not sure they will be suitable for a long walk, even in an “easy” terrain (felt to me like an adodas/nike running shoe). The XA pro, also trail running, felt heavier and closer to the low x ultra, cloer to hiking than running, and honeatly disn’t feel any difference in comfort compared to the more hiking tailored x ultra, but maybe it is still a good middle ground option, and of course there are other models I haven’t tried.
Any suggestions? Maybe some people that tried a couple of different shoes in the camino and can tell what felt best for them?
Which marrell model did you buy? I’m curiousOn my CF in warm weather last September, I wore Salomon hiking boots which had Goretex construction. Unfortunately, they reduced breathability too much, so my feet became too hot. At a great little hiking store in Viana, I found some Merrell walking shoes with two great features: wide toe-box, very breathable mesh uppers and good shock absorbing Vibram sole. They saved my Camino. I'll be using them again on CP next week. Obviously, if I get caught out in the rain, they will not resist water getting in. However, they dry quickly and are very light to walk in.
Footwear decisions are tricky, everyone is different. What works for someone might not work for someone else.
Hope this helps
How does the no gortex version survive the rain? I’m sure it has more breathability, but the question is if it’s worth itI am walking in the Salomon XA Pro 3D and I am very happy with them ( no Gore-Tex)
The Ultra was too narrow for me
Likewise - men’s (they are wider) XA Pro 3D non GTX.I am walking in the Salomon XA Pro 3D and I am very happy with them ( no Gore-Tex)
I wore the Speedcross my first Camino and had to replace them 500k into the walk when the mid sole collapsed. I’m not a heavy woman so not sure why this happened but replaced them with Merrill. Merrill Moab got me through two Portuguese Caminos and have purchased them for my next Camino Madrid. Didn’t bother with Gortex, they dry quickly.I know there have been many threads about that, but felt the need to open a new one - Need to buy a new shoes for Camino Frances.
I had Salomon X Ultra Mid gtx and decided to send them home and buy a low shoe for the camino, as I understood from people here that it’s not a difficult trek (at least the road conditions), and comfort is important for a 30 days trek.
I really want to stick ro the Salomon brand, which I love and suits me well, but trying to decide on which model. The regular X Ultra is an option, as well as their trail running shoes. Tried the speedcross yesterday, and they were very comfortable, like a running shoe, but I’m really not sure they will be suitable for a long walk, even in an “easy” terrain (felt to me like an adodas/nike running shoe). The XA pro, also trail running, felt heavier and closer to the low x ultra, cloer to hiking than running, and honeatly disn’t feel any difference in comfort compared to the more hiking tailored x ultra, but maybe it is still a good middle ground option, and of course there are other models I haven’t tried.
Any suggestions? Maybe some people that tried a couple of different shoes in the camino and can tell what felt best for them?
How does the no gortex version survive the rain? I’m sure it has more breathability, but the question is if it’s worth it
I don't know which model they are, but I've attached a photo. These are a bit worn on top now, the mesh has a couple of small tears caused by stones, but still good for couple of hundred km at least. The sole is in superb conditionView attachment 57014
The no Gortex dry quickly, the Gortex version will get wet if it really pours and will take forever to dry.How does the no gortex version survive the rain? I’m sure it has more breathability, but the question is if it’s worth it
I know there have been many threads about that, but felt the need to open a new one - Need to buy a new shoes for Camino Frances.
I had Salomon X Ultra Mid gtx and decided to send them home and buy a low shoe for the camino, as I understood from people here that it’s not a difficult trek (at least the road conditions), and comfort is important for a 30 days trek.
I really want to stick ro the Salomon brand, which I love and suits me well, but trying to decide on which model. The regular X Ultra is an option, as well as their trail running shoes. Tried the speedcross yesterday, and they were very comfortable, like a running shoe, but I’m really not sure they will be suitable for a long walk, even in an “easy” terrain (felt to me like an adodas/nike running shoe). The XA pro, also trail running, felt heavier and closer to the low x ultra, cloer to hiking than running, and honeatly disn’t feel any difference in comfort compared to the more hiking tailored x ultra, but maybe it is still a good middle ground option, and of course there are other models I haven’t tried.
Any suggestions? Maybe some people that tried a couple of different shoes in the camino and can tell what felt best for them?
Wow, that is the definitive article on the subject. Thank you for sharing.Below is a post I have made on this issue before. Maybe it will be of help
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Water will enter trail runner shoes, hiking shoes, or backpacking boots through any opening during a rainstorm, when walking through wet grass and brush, or drench into them if you walk through puddles or other standing water along the Camino.
There are two potential remedies to this problem, neither of which is always effective.
“Waterproof” shoes are a misnomer for several reasons.
- First, you can try keeping rain pants over the tops of shoes, so the water runs down the pants past the opening. But this system can be uncomfortably hot in warm weather during rain-soaked conditions. It offers no protection for puddles or having to cross water runoffs on the pathway.
- You can try using a footwear with a waterproof gaiter or some other waterproof cobbles -- like thick plastic bags. I have not often seen a gaiter or other waterproof trapping that would both keep the water out and keep the feet dry.
When I’ve tested so-called waterproof / breathable fabrics in shoes for various manufacturers, their actual performance never matched what was claimed. My reports to their QA departments have always reflected these weaknesses as found during testing. Sometimes a shoe will start the test period working fairly well under a narrow range of wet conditions, but as the testing progresses the failures increase.
- They can fail because the materials simply don’t work over the near and long term because it is difficult to apply and cover all areas of the footwear sufficiently.
- The waterproof coating or laminate in the shoes does not last. Some manufacturers of the lightweight trail shoes, which are usually constructed as a hybrid of fabric and leather, have treated them with a coating which can quickly wear off. It also keeps sweat in the shoe and your feet get soaked in sweat. Fairly quickly, coatings break down and will no longer be waterproof.
- Footwear which relies on a “Gore-Tex” style of waterproof/breathable laminate will break down through both wear and tear and dirt buildup on the material which renders it ineffective.
Waterproof/breathable membranes, like Gore-Tex, are only marginally breathable — water vapor from perspiration does not pass through the fabric as efficiently as is claimed. It can't. Unlike outerwear, the shoe material radically inhibits the ability of the membrane to allow water vapor to escape, thereby trapping it in the shoe.
So, on warm days the experience of having sweat being trapped in the shoe is common. Combined with the fact that the fabric waterproofing is quickly damaged by dirt, sweat, grime, and abrasion and it’s only a matter of time before exterior moisture begins penetrating the fabric and allowing feet to get wet from outside moisture as well.
This is why most experienced trekkers and backpackers no longer go to great lengths to keep feet dry. They accept that when the weather is wet, feet will also get wet. Even the US military uses footwear for wet conditions which is not waterproof. The strategy is how to minimize any problems when feet are wet.
In working with folks new to backpacking who ask about waterproof footwear recommendations, I have asked why they wanted waterproof shoes. Sometimes, they will look at me as if I had spaghetti sticking out of my nose. Most will answer that they think their feet will stay dry, and that having wet feet is akin to getting into horrible trouble.
This post is meant to help inform, reassure, and give a different line of thought and reasoning to this issue.
I like to have dry feet. I always try to avoid wet feet. I have tried many ways to keep my feet dry:
I have never had total success at keeping my feet dry in very wet conditions, which led me to research what has been done to develop effective strategies. If I can’t keep my feet dry, then I need to try and eliminate or minimize the risk of any of the bad things that could occur to my wet feet when walking.
- “Waterproof” shoes, which, as I’ve said, don’t work well.
- “Waterproof” socks, which don’t work for similar reasons: shoes still get wet, and feet soak with sweat. However – In cold weather these soaks can be the basis for using vapor barrier warmth conservation of the feet.
- Wearing multiple pairs of socks, frequently changing from wet to dry, which eventually all get wet.
- Carrying multiple pairs of shoes, which eventually all get wet, too.
Some of these lessons I learned while in Vietnam…. Like the fact that our boots had fabric tops and numerous holes in the thin leather bottom portions so that water drained out quickly and never sat in the boots.
What are the most frequent and problematic 'bad' things?
So, what does work for me, and others, if I am going to be walking or backpacking in wet weather?
- Maceration is the medical term for pruning, where the skin’s outer layer absorbs a lot of moisture and gets “soggy” from that moisture. The skin gets sore and extremely soft which makes it more prone to blistering and developing other problems.
- Cracking of the skin when the macerated feet dry. The natural moisture and oiliness of the skin is gone. The severity depends on how much stress the skin is exposed to after it is dried out.
Goop which has a high content of wax – either bee or paraffin – is most ideal, especially if it also has a high lanolin content.
- Apply a good, thick coating of a Goop (ointment or salve) to my feet and between toes before putting on socks and shoes in the morning. If rain occurs later in the day, then remove shoes and socks and do the same. This helps protect from external moisture.
Non-waterproof shoes will also eliminate moisture from sweaty feet. Remember, it doesn’t matter what the source of the moisture is that feet are exposed to: be it rain or sweat, each can cause the same problems.
- Wear non-waterproof shoes which can drain and then dry out quickly. This minimizes the amount of puddling in the shoe that bathes the feet in moisture. Modern trail running shoes, and trail shoes often have nice open mesh fabric which is terrific for draining water.
I find that at days end, I can remove the wet insoles and use absorbent paper or toweling to sop up as much moisture as is possible while I am showering and dealing with end of the day chores.
- Wear thin, light-cushioned merino wool socks, which don’t absorb as much water as thicker socks. Merino wool will also keep wet feet warm and comfortable in most seasons and temperature ranges, unless the weather is frigid winter-cold.
- Take off shoes and socks to let feet air dry during rest stop that will be longer than 20 minutes.During this time, I will wring out any excess moisture from the socks, but I will not put on either of my dry pairs (I take three). I will also wipe off moisture on my feet and then reapply a goodly amount of Goop to my feet to help keep them from becoming macerated.
- When stopping for the day, apply Goop to the bottoms of feet, both before and after showering.
- Carry an extra pair of insoles. These insoles do not have to be your preferred “walking” insoles that you may have purchased separately. These can be the lightweight pair which came with your shoes. These will be the barrier between your wet footwear and your dry socks when you are done for the day and if your shoes are a bit damp come morning.
When I get ready to go to dinner or wander around town, I put on a pair of dry Merino wool socks, insert the extra pair of dry insoles into my shoes, and put the shoes back on to walk around in. This accelerates drying out the shoes. Depending on the shoe’s material, within a couple of hours the shoes are mostly dry.
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- At bedtime, I remove the insoles and stuff absorbent material into the shoes to continue the drying out process, if need be, during the night.
- Apply more salve or ointment and wear dry and warm socks at while sleeping; this gives feet 8-9 hours of recovery.
I have just found out that they are the model: Merrell All Out Blaze Aero Sport. See attached screenshot from Amazon webpage.They look like the Moab, but I can't tell which version (the 1 or 2)
As i am looking for shoes/boot to buy and break it , this thread has been helpful , thank you everyone.
Just bought Salomon Ultra Pro ($$$) from the Salomon shop a few hours from where I live in Mexico. They felt fine in store. Light weight and roomy toe box. Did a few hikes and my heels slip out of shoe with each step. Salomon store here does not accept returns if you've used them. Heel grip inserts?I have used Salomon regular X Ultra shoes for many Caminos. I find I need to replace them following each Camino (of about 1000 km), especially as the soles become worn. They are still fine for city walks following the Camino but do not provide sufficient cushioning when the trail is stony or covered in rocks.
Maybe you need to try a different lacing technique, like a heel lock.Just bought Salomon Ultra Pro ($$$) from the Salomon shop a few hours from where I live in Mexico. They felt fine in store. Light weight and roomy toe box. Did a few hikes and my heels slip out of shoe with each step. Salomon store here does not accept returns if you've used them. Heel grip inserts?
There is a Decathlon store here a few hours away also.
Leave for PC in 3 weeks with no shoes! Almost ready to take my trainers and use them or buy something in LIsbon. Decathlon store there? Limited options here in Central Mexico. Any advice is welcome!
Hi, Pamalita, and a Warm Welcome to the Forum.
You can find the Lisbon Decathlon store locations HERE
Something changed between trying the Solomons in the store and your trial hikes; can you put a finger on what that difference is? Also, what have you already tried to do to solve your heel slippage problem? I would be happy to try and help you to see if the problem can be resolved. Send me a PM if I can be of assistance.
Thanks, Trecile. Will try that!Maybe you need to try a different lacing technique, like a heel lock.
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Hi, i am also a big fan of Salomon shoes. I've got a pair of Speedcross gtx, a pair of Outline mid gtx and a rather old worn pair of X-ultra. I am planning the Coastal Portuguese Camino in April/May. It's a shame i didn't happen to read all those thoughts on gore-tex before, cause i used to be sure the Spedcross shoes were good for the purpose. Are they really so bad for the given route and season? The budget is kind of too tight to buy one more pair of decent shoes when i've already got at least three of them. Thanks for any possible advice
I just bought the Salomon OUTline GTX. Last time I walked I used boots and was really unhappy with my choice. I’m hoping these are better. I am really worried about the rain in October/November and ended up getting gortex- I hope I made the right decision! These shoes are most like my trainers and felt very comfortable. I am a little worried about my feet swelling! Wondering if I should get a 1/2 up?
As for the X-ultra, i have them since 2017 and did Rota Vicentina wearing them (luckily it never rained). They're still ok for walks not far from home, but i am not sure they are good enough for another 300 kms
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