- Time of past OR future Camino
- A few and hopefully lots more.
Thanks Philip.
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Thanks Philip.16th March 9 to 10
Everyone seems to have written it off even before we've laid eyes on it. It might actually be good. The BBC does tend to make descent TV (and so they should with their TV tax!).
If it was Channel 5 then I'd run a mile.
Sorry,unable to confirm,but the Simon Reeve one is older and can be found on dvd.Would you please tell me, can I watch these programs online later? Pilgrimage with Simon Reeve or this "Celebrities"on CAMINO"
Is there an archive or a program library in BBC2?
I hope it is ok to post this. Thought it maybe of interest, however, should it not be acceptable please remove.
Thought this maybe of interest to some. Although I’m sure the majority of you will know the script by heart. I know for me I’m looking forward to this programme. “Pilgrimage: The Road to Santiago. The programme will be on Friday 16th March at 9pm, just wanted to share.
Thought this maybe of interest to some.
And note that you cannot view it online on the BBC website (neither live nor later on iPlayer) unless you have a UK TV licence and if you are in Scotland you will see the rugby game Edinburgh v Munster instead.
I think i will be doing my split ends that night
I hope this is not too confusing but I have merged a number of threads about this topic into one.
MRSGoGo, if you pay your tv licence in UK, and they know where you are with their electronic spies, you ought to be able to get it on catchback or whatever it is called. if I miss it I will not be able to do that as I live in Ireland. While we can access the live broadcasting, we cannot access the archives. At least I can't.Would you please tell me, can I watch these programs online later? Pilgrimage with Simon Reeve or this "Celebrities"on CAMINO"
Is there an archive or a program library in BBC2?
Kirkie, thanks!MRSGoGo, if you pay your tv licence in UK, and they know where you are with their electronic spies, you ought to be able to get it on catchback or whatever it is called. if I miss it I will not be able to do that as I live in Ireland. While we can access the live broadcasting, we cannot access the archives. At least I can't.
Thanks, Kathar1na, this list is easy to copy, and might imprint itself on my brain to help me remember to turn on the tv.Date and time for episode 1:
16 Mar 2018, 21:00 - BBC2 except Scotland
17 Mar 2018, 21:00 - BBC2 Scotland
18 Mar 2018, 13:45 - BBC2 except Scotland
18 Mar 2018, 14:00 - BBC2 Scotland
19 Mar 2018, 23:15 - BBC2 except Scotland, Wales
got them, Donal, thanks.
Waka, and others who might not really want to watch these programmes, don't watch them! If it will upset you, why give yourself the grief? I will try to watch them, but if real life is more important, then I won't. But I do want to try to see them, just because art imitates life, and there is always something to see and learn, and if I don't like it, I am in charge of the remote... Just don't let it upset you, ignore it, watch the daisies instead. Though at 9pm you won't see much happening with the daisies! Buen camino, be happy.There was a write up in the Times yesterday regarding this programme, when I got to the bit about two of the so called celebrities say, on meeting a monk at Rabenal, that the monks life choice is a result of being brainwashed, I stopped reading.
I think it is going to be as I feared, a shambles, but with an open mind I will give it a watch on the 16th.
Please enlighten me, who or what is a Kardashian?
I read the review in The Times and saw nothing about a monk at Rabanal. Can you provide a link, or copy and paste it here? Thanks.There was a write up in the Times yesterday regarding this programme, when I got to the bit about two of the so called celebrities say, on meeting a monk at Rabenal, that the monks life choice is a result of being brainwashed, I stopped reading.
I think it is going to be as I feared, a shambles, but with an open mind I will give it a watch on the 16th.
Saturdays Times main section page 80 4th column half way down, and I quote:I read the review in The Times and saw nothing about a monk at Rabenal. Can you provide a link, or copy and paste it here? Thanks.
Thanks, Waka. Google took me to a different review in The Times magazine. I don't see why one short remark by one of the participants should lead you to condemn the whole series as a shambles before you have watched any of it, though I acknowledge your intention to watch it "with an open mind".Saturdays Times main section page 80 4th column half way down, and I quote:
At the CSJ hostel in Rabanal del Camino near Leon a Benedictine monk meets Byrn and Rowe, and is seemingly unfazed when Rowe says that the monks life choice is a result of being brainwashed.
The BEST responsePlease enlighten me, who or what is a Kardashian?
and on BBC2 there will be dozens of viewers watching on a Friday night.
. It's broadcast right after Gardener's World ...
I guess this means that the number of British walkers will increase over the next couple of years
I forgot about being able to record. That is if you know how to do that. I do not expect anything, except to be pleased to see some of the Camino. I am currently following two blogs, and one has no dialogue, just a very fast forward on each day of the Cf. It is nearly 13 years since I walked it, so no surprise when so much is forgotten! The other one is interesting, and worth waiting for the gems within it.Or they may be put off
Thanks for posting, it reminded me to watch it. (I don't expect much, I hope I'm wrong)
Its on in the UK this Friday 16th March 21.00 BBC 2.When is it being shown? No doubt it will help swell the numbers even more
Yeah, not bad at all. More driven by the personalities than the surroundings but that's fine, arguably a lesson in how the camino humanises us all. Was a bit frustrating that they only went such a short distance, if anything the amount of moaning about how supposedly tough it is will actually mean fewer English people infesting the camino.
We stayed at Orisson in 2012 and the bunks in our dorm were very solid and made of wood. Perhaps they were in different dormitories or maybe those wooden bunks have been changed for the metal ones.
Using one of the vpn services to make the BBC think you are in the UK may let you watch on the BBC iplayer. This is how I used to watch the British Bake Off shows.If anyone knows a way of downloading and seeing this (legally) in Australia, let us know!
Sorry, Kanga, I can’t help you. However, the show seemingly comes under the Religious Broadcasting budget, so you might influence your national tv station to buy it! I could be wrong about the budget, doesn’t matter. I echo what other posters say about the scenery, and to give the word proper context, it really is an awesome sight, as all who walk from St Jean know from experience.If anyone knows a way of downloading and seeing this (legally) in Australia, let us know!
Hey, andywild, that doesn't sound like the you on your blog! You have a very funny turn of phrase, keep it going, and buen camino when your time comes. I look forward to your account of it.I was expecting worse to be honest. Although I'm now hoping there's someone on hand with a donkey/moped/chairlift to get me from somewhere along theOrisson to Roncesvalles stage.. I'm dreading crippling myself halfway and ruining my Camino
In the UK it just asks if you have a licence or not - no codes IIRC.This trick no longer works as before. Since the middle of 2017: Anglophiles: Hang up your VPN; iPlayer isn’t for you anymore - if you connect via VPN, you now also must enter a code that proves that you’ve paid your annual TV/BBC licence fee.
trouble is, I know there are three women and some men. Their names don't impact on me, so I will have to wait till next Friday to see which one is Debbie!Thanks kirkie. I think it was a moment of weakness brought on by watching an hour long program featuring Debbie McGee.. she does many things to me and none of them are pleasant. Luckily I've corrected the imbalance by watching a John Travolta film and am now brimming with positivity.
I streamed it online Friday night using this website: www.tvcatchup.comIf anyone knows a way of downloading and seeing this (legally) in Australia, let us know!
I streamed it online Friday night using this website: www.tvcatchup.com
Completely legal and free. You don’t even have to create an account or give them your e-mail.
The next episode is on Friday, 23 March 9.00 p.m. UK time.
To tell the truth I expected the very worst but it was ok...Slightly irritating of course for various reasons (they didn't realise they had to walk??? hello??The priest lady saying it had nothing to do with religion???? Etc)
But all in all it wasn't bad! Let's say it could have been worse! I think it is hard to do a film about pilgrimage when one should be walking it instead of watchingI will definitely watch the next episode.
I left Pamplona late for my rendezvous in Puente la Reina so I had to miss Eunate. Seeing it on the programme has made me determined to walk that section again (probably tag it on at the end of the Baztan) just to visit Eunate
This is not correct. Perhaps you didn’t read their FAQ:
6. Do I need a TV Licence to use TVCatchup?Yes, you do need a [UK] TV licence when viewing TVCatchup, as we stream live content in realtime (as it's broadcast) a licence is required.
I loathe geoblocking and similar restrictions as much as the next guy and often don’t understand why I can’t get transfrontier digital content even when I’d be willing to pay for it. I would certainly prefer to pay than having to make use of pirated copies (including Youtube), other “workarounds” such as VPN and shady outfits.
@Navarricano, just want to add that I was delighted to see that Eunate was included in the first episode and I really liked how it was presented.
These scenes also caused me to reflect on how we react to iconography, in particular since aspects of faith are one of the themes of this BBC series. I grew up in an area that is dominated, so to speak, by sweet and graceful Gothic madonnas. I think I became aware of representations like the one in Eunate (in the style of sedes sapientiae) for the first time in the museum attached to the Pamplona cathedral where they have an eye catching display of Mary and Child in various styles. I’m more familiar with it now that I’ve seen it more often and have learnt how to “read” it but I still find it a bit alienating. So I’m not totally surprised about the reaction of one of the protagonists although there are of course also other reasons for her. (Not sure that I’ve expressed myself well).
I was too. The cinematography of the whole episode was really well executed, and I was delighted with the drone shots of the church. They really did do a marvellous job. Full transparency time for you and anyone else on here who watched it: that was me who opened the gate and received the celebs when they visited Santa Maria de Eunate. I am one of the volunteers who take care of the church, as you know from information I have posted about the church in the past. I helped the production company obtain the necessary permissions to film at the church, and they asked me to appear in the documentary giving the group a brief explanation of the church's history. As is common in these types of projects, we were there for almost three hours doing takes, re-takes, interior and exterior shots, etc., and they only used a scant ten seconds or so of the video they shot with me and my explanation, but I was expecting that, and as I am not eager to be a celeb myself, not at all disappointed I didn't get more screen time!
I have been following the thread about the programme on the Forum, but I didn't feel it would be right for me to comment or to give my opinions about things as I participated in the project and worked personally with the production team and met the people appearing in the show. I will say this: everyone, absolutely everyone involved in the production, both the production team and the celebs who appear, was extremely kind, friendly and professional. When they visited the church. they were extraordinarily respectful of Eunate as a Catholic church and mindful of how important the church is to the parish and the volunteers that care for her. Far more so, in fact, than some "pilgrims" we have had come to visit in the past. I have nothing but positive things to report about the experience, and really pleased with how beautifully they presented the church.
Fleur, I was too lazy. After returning to Pamplona, we drove out and I saw how stupid I had been. In fact it does not really add anything to the day’s kilometres, and it is so worth it.I left Pamplona late for my rendezvous in Puente la Reina so I had to miss Eunate. Seeing it on the programme has made me determined to walk that section again (probably tag it on at the end of the Baztan) just to visit Eunate
When I went, the tour was given by a lady who worked in the office beside the church. She refused to let a couple enter the church barefoot. I am not clear why. I presumed it was health and safety, but my Pamplona friend just laughs at that guess! It was so good to see Eunate have its place in the story. A beautiful church, a place to capture centuries of dreams and longings, and of peaceful moments to be remembered along the way.I was too. The cinematography of the whole episode was really well executed, and I was delighted with the drone shots of the church. They really did do a marvellous job. Full transparency time for you and anyone else on here who watched it: that was me who opened the gate and received the celebs when they visited Santa Maria de Eunate. I am one of the volunteers who take care of the church, as you know from information I have posted about the church in the past. I helped the production company obtain the necessary permissions to film at the church, and they asked me to appear in the documentary giving the group a brief explanation of the church's history. As is common in these types of projects, we were there for almost three hours doing takes, re-takes, interior and exterior shots, etc., and they only used a scant ten seconds or so of the video they shot with me and my explanation, but I was expecting that, and as I am not eager to be a celeb myself, not at all disappointed I didn't get more screen time!
I have been following the thread about the programme on the Forum, but I didn't feel it would be right for me to comment or to give my opinions about things as I participated in the project and worked personally with the production team and met the people appearing in the show. I will say this: everyone, absolutely everyone involved in the production, both the production team and the celebs who appear, was extremely kind, friendly and professional. When they visited the church, they were extraordinarily respectful of Eunate as a Catholic church and mindful of how important the church is to the parish and the volunteers that care for her. Far more so, in fact, than some "pilgrims" we have had come to visit in the past. I have nothing but positive things to report about the experience, and really pleased with how beautifully they presented the church.
When I went, the tour was given by a lady who worked in the office beside the church. She refused to let a couple enter the church barefoot. I am not clear why. I presumed it was health and safety, but my Pamplona friend just laughs at that guess! It was so good to see Eunate have its place in the story. A beautiful church, a place to capture centuries of dreams and longings, and of peaceful moments to be remembered along the way.
Navarricano, many thanks for your informed contribution, it is surely a very useful post for future reference. I actually managed to record the programme, so I might just have another look at it, and pay more attention to the scene in Eunate.There are a few reasons. When I started helping look after the church, the ladies responsible for cleaning the interior of the church made it very clear that anyone wanting to enter the church had to have their shoes on. The reason they gave me is that in the past, the floor of the church sometimes became very dirty with oily footprints from the ointments and creams pilgrims use to ease their suffering feet, as well as, from time to time, blood from bursting blisters and wounds. It's difficult for them to scrub the footprints off the stone floor and it's unsightly.
But the other reason is the esoteric rituals some people want to perform in the church. Practically no one was interested in taking off their shoes and entering the church barefoot until someone spread the idea on the Camino that there is supposedly a ritual to be performed at Eunate, involving walking around the church three times barefoot and then entering the church and standing under the dome to connect with some sort of cosmic energy. The parish priest and the parishioners do not want esoteric rituals to be performed inside the church, and we politely ask people not to do it, out of respect for the faith of the local people.
With regard to the ritual: the volunteers from the parish, most of whom are older, and who have lived there all their lives, say that they had never in their lives heard of this ritual until the past few decades when pilgrims started asking them about it. These are people who have made romerías (short pilgrimages to local shrines or churches) to Eunate all their lives. Their grandparents and parents never taught them this ritual, and when pilgrims first began appearing on the Camino in significant numbers again in the late 80s and the 90s, nobody did it or asked about it. Nobody said a word about it to me the first two or three times I made pilgrimages to Santiago either, but somewhere along the way, somebody started it; it probably got published in some pilgrim's guidebook and then just spread from there.
I have researched and asked numerous local residents from the surrounding villages about it, and the majority all say the same thing. Ni idea de donde vino todo eso (I have no idea where that idea came from). I have found one or two people who said that when they were kids they would come to the church with their parents and grandparents and that they would walk around the church three times praying three Our Fathers before entering the church to pray the Salve Regina to Our Lady of Eunate, but nothing about going in barefoot and getting under the dome. It appears, though, that it was something that was neither widely practised nor something most of the people in the area had heard of. Who knows who started it?
Yes, Kate asked me about it during filming, and I explained this same thing to them, but the filmmakers edited it down to just the bit about the Our Father, so that is why you see Kate going around the church praying the Our Father in the documentary. She wanted to do it barefoot, which she did, but she put her shoes back on before entering the church, as I asked her to do. As I said, everyone associated with the documentary was extremely respectful and cooperative when they filmed there.
As I say, the main reason is the care of the floor. If you want to take off your shoes and go round and round the church's atrium, knock yourselves out!But the parish priest and the parishioners ask that people please wear shoes when entering the church and do not want esoteric rituals to be performed inside, and we politely ask people not to do it, out of respect for the Christian faith of the local people. It sometimes generates a problem with some of the more aggressive folks who come to visit, but not usually. Most people are pretty respectful and cooperative.
That is very kind of you. Thank you.Fantastic. You came across very well!
I thought so but I didn't want to blow your cover in case you wished to stay incognitoFull transparency time for you and anyone else on here who watched it: that was me who opened the gate and received the celebs when they visited Santa Maria de Eunate. I am one of the volunteers who take care of the church, as you know from information I have posted about the church in the past.
I thought so but I didn't want to blow your cover in case you wished to stay incognito. Thank you so much for your contributions to this thread, it's a delight to read all this background information from a local (which I guess you are by now), both about the production and about your efforts to get to the bottom of this ritual and about the local congregation.
As to the site you mentioned: please don't misunderstand me, I just wanted to set the record straight, I think it's perfectly ok to watch occasionally in this way as there are no other options and in particular in your case!!!
Barbara, do you have any friends who can record it for you? I can manage tech stuff that interests me, and even though tv doesn’t, I did hit the red button at the right moment and i will be able to see it again if I want to. You said husband is at home, i think.. twist his arm... and if it doesn’t work: you are going to be your very own celeb on your own pilgrimage. I hope you have a wonderful one.I watched it avidly, sorry I will miss the other two episodes as I leave for my first Camino tomorrow.
As a Christian minister, I have to say I found Kate’s overenthusiasm to find a biblical quote for every occasion a bit grating.... maybe that’s how she is, or maybe it was in the editing. Trying too hard to convince everyone that priests are normal people. Which we are, of course, but I think it works better when people discover that for themselves rather than being told every five minutes.
A couple of the participants talked about the Church controlling and dominating people’s lives, and I think it’s a shame no corrective to that was offered, or at least screened. To control and dominate is a human failing and sadly people and institutions of faith are not immune to that temptation. But it is not intrinsic to the Church to dominate, in fact it is antithetical to its identity, IMO
Barbara just think of that second day of rain as character building! For us the walk to Orisson was in perfect weather, clear and sunny (June) next day we continued to Roncesvalles in a howling gail, freezing cold and could hardly stay upright. I think we almost experienced all four seasons in one week .Oh, I’ve set it to record, so it will be waiting for me when I get home, I just meant it would have been nice to see them before I go.
I *could* watch vía iPlayer while I’m there..... but I’ll actually be there, which is surely better. Besides, I might get jealous watching all that lovely sunshine they got. My first day of walking SJPdP to Valcarlos is forecast to be cold but dry. My second, however - rain, rain, rain all the way.
Glad to hear that, CJ. And I'm glad to meet the 'new you!' Thank you for your service and for everything you do to keep this special place open for all of us.I have nothing but positive things to report about the experience, and really pleased with how beautifully they presented the church.
Yes...Yes, indeed.I’ll actually be there, which is surely better.
Thanks for posting this. I watched it last week, but have also watched this episode again, in a few stages. I really value the opportunity to be opened to the story someone else has to tell. This episode has shown me glimpses of the pain in the lives of the celebs. Celebs? What is a celeb? I am not used to watching tv, and I probably couldn’t tell you the name of many actresses or actors, but I can tell you when I recognise a moment of human being. I look forward to watching more, and the second episode is on tv tonight. Thanks, thanks, thanks, as an old friend used to say every day, for the smallest thing.On YouTube now
I am sorry now I didn’t think to press record. However, I can miss bits of dialogue so will need to wait for the next YouTube posting. What did you get from that part, Kathar1na?Woah. I've watched this scene three times now. It's part of episode 2 that was broadcast today. I saw and heard something completely different. Do I get it wrong, did the freelance Times religion correspondent get it wrong or what happened here ....
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