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From the "Americans Pilgrims On the Camino" Facebook group. Sent to me by a friend. Apparently seen in Leon recently
Ohh this hurts my eyes and heart!
But "trust" Mac to jump on the commercialisation train of the Frances...
People may not like big food chains but can only independent restaurants have a pilgrims menu?
My negative gut reaction was not to the food part. Not my preference but each to their own on that score. It was the free hat I found hard to stomach. I know that commercialisation of the Camino Frances is a reality that we have to live with but to use your head as a mobile billboard proclaiming "BURGER KING CAMINO DE SANTIAGO" feels like a step too far.
People may not like big food chains but can only independent restaurants have a pilgrims menu?
In fairness this one isn't from "Mac" - one of the opposition teams. Not that it makes much difference in the end.
Really no different than anyone or anything else that makes money off the popularity of the Camino. Revolting for sure, but if people weren't buying and eating that poison, it wouldn't exist. I don't know how anybody can put that shite into their body.
At least it's not their competitor, the other big burger chain. They'd have that creepy, garish clown mascot thing dressed like a pilgrim, burger in hand and a gourd full of Coke.
Ohh this hurts my eyes and heart!
But "trust" Mac to jump on the commercialisation train of the Frances...
A couple of years ago, or so McDonald's made the news when it was revealed that their burgers were made from some type of "pink slime" type stuff. The meat was made from scraps from the processing of the animal, but had to be treated with ammonia to kill deadly bacteria (the scraps were recovered from all parts of the process), thus turning it pink, but then it was dyed to a more natural meat color before being shipped out. Anyway, I pretty much stopped eating fast food several years ago, before that pink slime thing made the news. Now I try to only eat unprocessed or minimally processed food. Even my beer I like organic.It is Burger King, not McDonalds .. though ..... maybe McDonalds will follow by dressing their clown as a pilgrim with a backpack???
As for McDonalds - I don't understand why they are attacked by so many. When travelling I regularly use McDonalds - immaculately clean toilets (rest rooms), free wi-fi, the cheapest coffee you can buy.
All the ingredients are fresh and freshly cooked and sourced from the country or region the outlets are in.
Their burgers are 100% cuts of real meat, they use only free range eggs .. they sell salads ...
so they are a big company - so what? I don't get it.
So true. If you see a Burger King, McDonald's, Starbucks, etc in Europe or Asia, the owner is not an American. It's owned by someone there who bought into the franchise and opened the store.Junk food its not just "for americans"anymore europeans are gobbling up like its no tomorrow and the franchisee are not americans either just my observation
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... As for McDonalds - I don't understand why they are attacked by so many. When travelling I regularly use McDonalds - immaculately clean toilets (rest rooms), free wi-fi, the cheapest coffee you can buy.
All the ingredients are fresh and freshly cooked and sourced from the country or region the outlets are in.
Their burgers are 100% cuts of real meat, they use only free range eggs .. they sell salads ...
so they are a big company - so what? I don't get it.
Whilst I agree with the clean toilets and wifi bits, there food is another story. In reality it looks like this in Europe (and I guess elsewhere):
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/un...hickenburger-und-chickennuggets-a-966345.html about the use of GMO food for chicken than converted in MacMeals.
or, this time in English http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/fast-food-truths_n_4296243.html
Whilst they will buy from "the country or region the outlets are in" because it is cheaper (less transport costs and easier admin) they certainly will not buy high quality meat that comes from responsibly raised and killed animals, they will buy from big "meat factories".
Buen Camino, SY
The villages and cities along the Camino routes are inhabited by people full time, not just pilgrims who spend a day or two, and those people need to work. Would you deny them their livelihood so that you can have a "pure" Camino experience? I just may seek out a few trinkets from these vendors in order to support the local economy that is supporting me while I'm on the Camino.My first Camino I was so disenchanted when I arrived into Santiago to the hundreds of vendors selling Camino related items. Until I went to the Pilgrim mass the next day, I was very disappointed. Do to the increased popularity of the Camino expect to see much more of this and worse. I would not single out any specific type of Commercialism. The best way to combat this type of activity is not to support it. This is like commenting about garbage on the Camino, just pick it up versus complaining.
Ultreya,
Joe
The villages and cities along the Camino routes are inhabited by people full time, not just pilgrims who spend a day or two, and those people need to work. Would you deny them their livelihood so that you can have a "pure" Camino experience? I just may seek out a few trinkets from these vendors in order to support the local economy that is supporting me while I'm on the Camino.
I dislike kitschy advertisments too...like those tacky Mickey Mouse-like signs near Sahagun. It's all in bad taste. Yuk, indeed. But the 'pure' camino experience, alas, doesn't exist, except our hearts when we walk. And as David says:The villages and cities along the Camino routes are inhabited by people full time, not just pilgrims who spend a day or two, and those people need to work. Would you deny them their livelihood so that you can have a "pure" Camino experience? I just may seek out a few trinkets from these vendors in order to support the local economy that is supporting me while I'm on the Camino.
I'm sponsored by OspreyWe are really close here to what is a "true" pilgrim - sure, that hat has Burger King on it but no one seems to have noticed that nearly all the gear worn on Camino carries adverts - North Face, Altus, Berghaus, Chechua, fjallraven, Osprey, - shall I go on?? - pilgrims are emblazoned with adverts, they are walking billboards - so how is this different?
Crikey! the scallop shell is an advert! - the logo - for the Camino and the Catholic church and the cathedral in Santiago!
And don't forget that inside that BurgerKing outlet there are real people working there - people who would most likely welcome a pilgrim ('true' or not) with a smile and a Buen Camino, people who may themselves be Camino veterans .... I think there is just a little too much 'holier than thou' going on here - don't you??
Buen sponsored by Berghaus Camino!
Joe, I understand your sentiment very well, but this is nothing at all new. Have you read the accounts of Santiago 800 years ago. Same thing. Stalls selling souvenirs for pilgrims ot take home. Shells, Jet charms...it was a circus then too. the more things change...well, you know...same old same old.My first Camino I was so disenchanted when I arrived into Santiago to the hundreds of vendors selling Camino related items. Until I went to the Pilgrim mass the next day, I was very disappointed. Do to the increased popularity of the Camino expect to see much more of this and worse. I would not single out any specific type of Commercialism. The best way to combat this type of activity is not to support it.
I'd never have thought of this, Albertagirl, stuck as I am in ideas about the place. Beautiful, Albertagirl, triple like. Thank you for scrambling those preconceptions! Not to deny the rest, but it's a fine thing to see good in something.It has just occurred to me that there is something heavenly about a place where music is shared for pleasure, the poor are welcome, and you can stay as long as you like.
Yesterday, I bought a McDonald's meal for a beggar in my own city of Calgary, Alberta. She was able to choose what she wanted for a very reasonable price and I threw in a beverage, because you shouldn't go without liquid when it's 30 degrees in Calgary. I wouldn't eat there myself, unless I were very hungry indeed. But then, this woman probably was (she chose the location). I am remembering spending some time in the city centre McDonald's in Auckland, N.Z. a couple of years ago. On several occasions, I found myself there in the early morning, waiting for my intercity bus to leave when only McDonald's was open. It was clean, the coffee was good and I could take as long as I liked to drink it. A man came in with his guitar and played as long as he wished. I noticed people in somewhat basic attire coming in to use the washroom and not buying anything. They seemed to be homeless and were not turned away. It has just occurred to me that there is something heavenly about a place where music is shared for pleasure, the poor are welcome, and you can stay as long as you like. But I still don't eat the food.
Bless you xx
The villages and cities along the Camino routes are inhabited by people full time (I agree), not just pilgrims who spend a day or two (agree again), and those people need to work (I agree). Would you deny them their livelihood (no) so that you can have a "pure" Camino experience (No experience is pure but the Camino comes close)? I just may seek out a few trinkets from these vendors in order to support the local economy that is supporting me while I'm on the Camino (Good).
Whilst I agree with the clean toilets and wifi bits, there food is another story. In reality it looks like this in Europe (and I guess elsewhere):
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/un...hickenburger-und-chickennuggets-a-966345.html about the use of GMO food for chicken than converted in MacMeals.
or, this time in English http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/20/fast-food-truths_n_4296243.html
Whilst they will buy from "the country or region the outlets are in" because it is cheaper (less transport costs and easier admin) they certainly will not buy high quality meat that comes from responsibly raised and killed animals, they will buy from big "meat factories".
Buen Camino, SY
Is that a new statue of Elvis?But surely this is the same food that was eaten by the Pilgrim Fathers, no?
This guy used to stand outside of McD in Santiago back in 2003 - is he still there?
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So you don't own a car, any electronic devices, kitchen or laundry appliances, etc? Robotic applications in product assembly, warehousing and distribution are now so pervasive I don't think I could achieve this objective if I wanted too.I dont like this kiind of restaurants. But I never, never, never will spend my money in a compny that preferes buying robots instead of increase salaries to their employees. Their greed has no limits.
What about farming? Plant, plow and harvest by hand?So you don't own a car, any electronic devices, kitchen or laundry appliances, etc? Robotic applications in product assembly, warehousing and distribution are now so pervasive I don't think I could achieve this objective if I wanted too.
I dont like this kiind of restaurants. But I never, never, never will spend my money in a compny that preferes buying robots instead of increase salaries to their employees. Their greed has no limits.
I think I would reserve my opinion there about the difference between highly mechanized and robotic, but it would be difficult if the whole food chain had to be free of any form of robot in some countries.What about farming? Plant, plow and harvest by hand?
Please enlighten me. What robots do MacDonalds restaurants use?you have kind heart calling MacD a restaurantif not for robots how could they afford to sale five burgers for a 1$? poor things hahaha
Exactly. If you own a car you are contributing to robotics. If you pay to ride in a motor vehicle of any kind, you contribute to robotics. If you fly in a plane, contributing. The list goes on....So you don't own a car, any electronic devices, kitchen or laundry appliances, etc? Robotic applications in product assembly, warehousing and distribution are now so pervasive I don't think I could achieve this objective if I wanted too.
Wow, 8 Euros for a burger and fries? That's one expensive hamburger. But seriously, if you want to see over the top commercialism wait till you arrive in Santiago. I really found it difficult to spend the time there I thought I would. I couldn't have been the only one in 2013 to see the souvenir shop a few doors down from the Camino office advertising compostellas for two Euros and then there is all the other Camino trinkets including a white linen trekkers suit. As we all know, nothing beats hiking the Camino in an all white suit.
Exactly. One way ticket to heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer, high blood pressure and stroke.There are many reasons why obesity is a major health problem in the U.S. Fast-food franchises are one of those reasons. As an occasional thing, a BK or McD meal won't hurt you, but too many Americans rely on them to feed themselves, and even worse, their children. The food is cheap, addictive, and harmful.
The rest of the world -- look out! Don't eat that crap regularly. It's loaded with chemicals, high-fructose corn syrup, and unhealthy fats. Look up the nutrition information for a burger, fries, and soda. Prepare to be shocked.
I love this place. Where else could I get nutrition advice from a parrot?
True though.
Thanks for the reminder! Here's another book I want to read, about an African Gray Parrot,Parrots have been found by researchers to be as smart as chimps, dolphins, and 3-year-old human children. Google Dr. Irene Pepperberg and her research subject, an African Grey parrot, Alex. Astounding!
We can learn a lot from parrots.
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