Backpack fitting tips with update!

[Krissten]

Hello everyone! I am looking forward to my first camino next summer and I am in the process of figuring out my gear. I am struggling with my backpack fit and was hoping for some tips.

A staff member at REI measured my torso at "just under 20" (I am 5ft 9)inches so I purchased a "medium" Gregory Zulu 30 L. I took it out on two hikes (well, as much as one can "hike" in Chicago) packed to about 15 pounds for 7 miles. The pack didn't quite feel right, specifically it felt too short and kept sliding up to my waist more than my hips. My shoulders and back did not hurt at the end of the hike but it I was always very aware of it and constantly making adjustments to the straps. So I tried the the same pack in the "large" and this one feels too long. If I lean my head back, it rests on the top part of the frame and I feel like too much is crowding around my neck. And it feels like on a long hike, it could inch up around my waist again.

I think the problem is my body shape. I am what is considered "curvy" or "plus size" and definitely carry my weight in my hips. Is the hip strap placement going to be an issue no matter what? Does it matter significantly if it sits more on the waist than the hips? I don't think the hip belt is too small- there seems to be plenty of room.

Am I overthinking this? Especially considering those first couple of hikes went okay with the original pack?

I appreciate all input!!!

 

[C clearly]

No you aren't overthinking this. The backpack should feel right. I suggest going back and getting re-measured by another person, just to confirm. Then try other packs - different ones have different shapes and fits.

 

[Bill Anthony]

Hello everyone! I am looking forward to my first camino next summer and I am in the process of figuring out my gear. I am struggling with my backpack fit and was hoping for some tips.

Trying packs from other manufacturers, they all have a different feel. Zulu is a unisex pack ? A woman's pack may fit better.

 

[Turga]

You could try a backpack with adjustable back-length - just a thought.

 

[t2andreo]

The above post has one of the best answers, try a pack with an adjustable back panel. Osprey makes a full line of such packs. In addition, I recommend...

1. Considering a man's pack in the same make and model if your frame shape suggests it. The harnesses are slightly different.

2. For Osprey packs, advertised volumes are for the M/L torso / frame size. So, an Osprey Kestrel (M) or Kyte (F) can vary 2 liters in volume between the 38 liter (M/L) size and the (S/M) torso size 36 liters. But it is still advertised as a "38 liter bag." Go here to see the line of Osprey technical rucksacks, including the Kestrel and Kyte.

https://www.osprey.com/us/en/series/technical-packs/kestrel-kyte-landing

The key is to find a torso harness that feels like it is molded to YOUR back. Then perfect the fit using the available adjustments.

N.B. Osprey rucksacks are very popular bags among pilgrims. Deuter also makes highly adjustable bags.

3. Making sure to load the rucksack, any rucksack you are considering, with dead weight in the store. Wear it for 15-20 minutes while you browse for other items.

I hope this helps.

 

[Sparrow in Texas]

Krissten, Perhaps you have already thought of this...I learned that how a pack is loaded and with what makes a big difference. Instead of the "bean bags" that they use in REI, I took my own gear, clothes and sleeping bag, into the store in packing cubes and loaded the pack myself to try it "loaded". A little research on how to load a pack will tell you how to distribute the weight in order to help the pack sit properly on your body.

Many best wishes, Buen Camino!

 

[Krissten]

Thanks all!

Zulu is a unisex pack. My frame puts me at the upper end of a lot of the women's packs and sometimes over it for the hip measurements. So that limits my options to only a few of the women, some unisex, and the men's packs. I will check out the Osprey recommendations! I took the Osprey Porter 46L on a trip last summer and it was fine for regular travel but I didn't love the fit of the bag (it was a gift). I have not looked at other bags in the Osprey brand for this reason but I guess I shouldn't write off the whole brand because of one pack.

I will look at the adjustable torso packs because that does sound like a good compromise. It seems like those are heavier but if it's a better fit, that extra pound will probably be worth it....right?

When I went on my "gear testing" hikes, I packed the bag as I would on the trip- or at least how it seems I should since this is all new territory for me. I put lighter stuff- rain coat/sleeping bag liner-on bottom, the heavier stuff-hydration pack and packing cube with my clothes, my after hike shoes- in the middle, and the few toiletries I would take with me on top. Does that sound like the way it should be packed?

I am so happy I found this forum. I have already learned a lot!

 

[Turga]

It seems like those are heavier but if it's a better fit, that extra pound will probably be worth it....right?

Right! I have a Deuter ACT 40 liter which weighs in at around 1.7 kilos empty, not exactly lightweight. On the other hand it is very sturdy and the frame is built to carry 15-20 kilos, so adequately adjusted 8-10 kilos in it feels like nothing.

 

[Sparrow in Texas]

Krissten, I would not load my pack much differently than you did, except to keep my rain poncho near the top for accessibility. Also, just as we would adjust the laces on our boots a few times a day due to feet swelling, you might adjust the straps on your pack multiple times a day too. A number of women, me included, use the Osprey Sirrus 36 pack. One feature that we like is the mesh back which holds it away from the body, good ventilation. The Osprey Porter is more of a "travel" than a hiking pack, but this is not to say that it is unsuitable for the Camino or cannot work for you.

My daughter uses a Deuter ACT lite 35 +10 which was comfortable on me also, but she did not want us to have matching packs!

Just a few comments, perhaps they will help a little on your journey.

 

[jmcarp]

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A staff member at REI measured my torso at "just under 20" (I am 5ft 9)inches so I purchased a "medium" Gregory Zulu 30 L. I took it out on two hikes (well, as much as one can "hike" in Chicago) packed to about 15 pounds for 7 miles. The pack didn't quite feel right, specifically it felt too short and kept sliding up to my waist more than my hips. My shoulders and back did not hurt at the end of the hike but it I was always very aware of it and constantly making adjustments to the straps. So I tried the the same pack in the "large" and this one feels too long. If I lean my head back, it rests on the top part of the frame and I feel like too much is crowding around my neck. And it feels like on a long hike, it could inch up around my waist again.
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You are wise to have purchased your bag from REI, especially if you are a member and can take advantage of their members' return/exchange policy. Before our first Camino, my wife and I went through a whole series of backpacks and footwear during our preparation, and never once did REI question our returns. In fact, they were more than eager to help us select alternatives. Because of the popularity of the Camino, many of the REI stores have unofficial Camino specialists to help with gear, clothing, and footwear -- which can be quite different from traditional backpacking needs or treks on the AT or PCT. Be sure to ask at your local or nearby REI if they have such a person.

I consider the minimal cost of REI membership to be one of my wiser decisions (along with my lifetime geezer pass to federal parks and recreation facilities, which was only $10 when I purchased it longer ago than I like to admit).

 

[Krissten]

I have definitely been taking advantage of their generous return policy. I am hoping they don't get sick of me!!

 

[trecile]

I have just bought the North Face Aleia backpack form REI online. It's a 32 liter pack that comes in at 1 pound, 15 ounces/880 grams. It's a women's pack, and comes in two sizes, and has an adjustable back. I'm 5'8", but my height is in my legs, so I got the small pack. I took it to my local store, and they helped me to get it adjusted to fit my frame. I think that I'm going to be very happy with this pack.

 

[Deleted member 67185]

There is a big difference to the comfort and feel of a backpack that is sized correctly and adjusted properly. To this end, I have included some YouTube videos for those who might be interested. Ignore the brand names and just focus on the fit and adjustment principles. Additionally, there are two basic styles of straps: the "S" strap, and the "J" strap. Various manufacturers may call them by different names, or offer them as the standard shape for male or female specific packs. It is one of the reasons that packs designed for women can feel better for an individual woman. There are also manufacturers, like ULA, which forgo women or men specific packs, but can switch out both shoulder straps and hip belts to suit individual body types and sizes.

The J straps are the traditional shaped straps, and work best on most men with average builds.

The S straps work best on almost all women and men with larger upper body builds, square shoulders and good posture. If you are a short torso, but with a larger upper body, a slightly longer strap might help.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=wxMeRQicFvA (start at about the 2:08 marker)

 

[Phil W]

You are wise to have purchased your bag from REI, especially if you are a member and can take advantage of their members' return/exchange policy. Before our first Camino, my wife and I went through a whole series of backpacks and footwear during our preparation, and never once did REI question our returns. In fact, they were more than eager to help us select alternatives. Because of the popularity of the Camino, many of the REI stores have unofficial Camino specialists to help with gear, clothing, and footwear -- which can be quite different from traditional backpacking needs or treks on the AT or PCT. Be sure to ask at your local or nearby REI if they have such a person.

I consider the minimal cost of REI membership to be one of my wiser decisions (along with my lifetime geezer pass to federal parks and recreation facilities, which was only $10 when I purchased it longer ago than I like to admit).

Love my lifetime geezer pass to federal parks! Also like my REI membership.

 

[Phil W]

I have definitely been taking advantage of their generous return policy. I am hoping they don't get sick of me!!

Krissten, I don't expect that they will get sick of you. You are the customer they desire. I didn't buy all my shoes at REI except for the 1 pair that I ended up taking on the Camino. The other 3 pairs were left at home. Do your best to find what works for you. Enjoy not only the Camino but also the preparation.

Buen Camino!

Phil

 

[Krissten]

Thank you everyone!

 

[Purple Backpack]

I'm an Osprey fan (started with Deuter) of similar height so can help with how to adjust their packs for a 20-21" torso. My first Osprey was a Talon and I could never tweak it right; the shoulder straps didn't fit me. When the women's Tempest came out, it worked great. So maybe a Talon would work well for you if the women's packs don't feel right? I also like the Kyte for heavier, winter loads. I find the hip belt on the Kyte really comfortable.

Anyway...there's a plastic back panel with velcro. Pull it out to full length but where the velcro still sticks. Lengthen all the other straps before putting it on. Load her up but watch where you are packing the weight. I try to keep it centered and higher in the pack but that's just personal preference.

For any brand pack, tighten up the hip belt first. Everyone has their own preferences but I like packs to sit on the hip bones themselves, not the waist. Pull it pretty tight, tighten up the shoulders next, then loosen everything a smidge.

When hiking up a hill, I shift the weight from the hips to shoulders by loosening up the hip straps and tightening the shoulders. It could be my imagination but the pack feels lighter going uphill with the weight shifted upwards. On descents, I change the weight to the hips so there's a lower center of gravity. Throughout the day, I tighten or loosen the straps just a bit to shift weight or use different muscles.

One other tip is to check the straps on the top back, from the shoulder straps to the pack itself. Mine occasionally slide apart, shifting the pack weight outward, away from the body, too much. Cinching those down helps keep the weight centered, rather than fully on the hip belt.

If all else fails, Zimmerbuilt.com can make you a custom fit ultralight pack.

 

[Robo]

Also, just as we would adjust the laces on our boots a few times a day due to feet swelling, you might adjust the straps on your pack multiple times a day too.

A very good point. I'm adjusting my pack a lot during the first few kms each day to get it just right. and often through the day... just a tweak here or there on the belt, shoulder straps, sternum strap or load lifters. If you are not used to these 'modern' packs it is wise to get tips on how to adjust them and play around with the straps a bit on test walks.

Mine probably rides slightly different each day depending how many breakfasts, lunches and/or dinners I had the day before

Having said that. I love my pack. Fits like a glove. Yes an Osprey. Stratos 34 (1.2 kg)
I bought this over a lighter one because it fitted so well.

The key I find is to keep the hip belt tight, so all the weight is on the hips. There is zero weight on the shoulder straps. I could slide my fingers under them easily. The sternum strap I cinch in quite a bit as it pulls in the shoulder straps, so I don't really feel them. And the load lifters I cinch in tight so the pack hugs my back. The pack feels like it's part of me.......

 

[HeidiL]

The key I find is to keep the hip belt tight, so all the weight is on the hips.

Yes, that's important. The belt must therefore be rather broad, otherwise it will cut into your hips after some kilometres. At the same time, I need to have the pack rather high on my back - I have walked a little bit with my husband's Norrøna pack, which is perfect for him, and every time I take a long step, it pushes into the top of my gluteus.

 

[t2andreo]

This is an outstanding thread. The videos embedded above are the best!

 

[J F Gregory]

We tried 3 different kits from REI before choosing one which happened to be an Osprey Kestrel 48 for our Camino in 2016. We are preparing for our 2018 Camino now and just purchased new Osprey Exos 38's dry weight 2 1/2 pounds less than out other packs. We have used them several times now and have our base weight to 7.3 pounds with out water or snacks. With water and snacks 10.7 pounds which will be easier on my back. My wife measured for extra small and I large.

 

[Krissten]

Purple backpack, thank you so much for the recommendation on zimmerbuilt! I am perusing his website and I am intrigued. I love the look of the Osprey packs and continue to hear such great things about them. But when I try them on, even though I am within their hip measurements for the mens packs (but not the womens), the hip belt just seems to dig in a lot more than other brands. I see that for some of the series with larger packs, you can change out the hip belts and I so wish that was an option for their smaller packs. Maybe as I work up to some bigger backpacking trips, one of those larger packs is in my future.

Robo, thank you thank you. You have made a lot of great points and I think I need to change my "pack adjustment expectations"....if there is such a thing.

I went to an Uncle Dan's yesterday and purchased a Deuter Futura 32. I walked around the store with a 15 pound weight for about 30 minutes and it definitely seemed to sit on my hips better and I was less "aware" of it. So I will try this out and see how it goes. Their return policy is not quite as generous as REI but it is reasonable and I will be able to try it out.

 

[Krissten]

I have found the <backpack> love of my life! From another thread here, I learned about zpacks and I ordered one of their Arczip packs and I love it. I was able to do a short torso with a large belt which is a perfect combination for me. I didn't know I could love an inanimate object this much.

I wanted to send out an update for anyone that was having similar fit issues. It is pricey- about twice as much as the other backpacks I looked at. But it seems very high quality and I am very happy with it.

 

[Consigliere]

My first thought is check with the professionals what you deem as “hips” vs. “waist”. A proper fitting pack sometimes feels like it’s sits on “the waist”. So check your shoulder fitting, it may be slipping onto your hips if it’s too loose. My best description is it sits ON the hip bones. Just a gut reaction you might check from a long term Gregory pack owner.