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Good stuff 26L is small. Mine was 48L I like to be able to just toss in & go. But that was my choice. Have a very nice walk!Over the last few months I have packed, repacked, changed out items, left out items and rearranged my pack - a lot. My back pack is not large, Osprey 26L. And although it weights almost 1.4k alone, I have managed to get the total weight down to 5.5 k without water or food. Water gets the weight to 6k.
I got rid of the flannel bag liner and now have a soft woven light weight blanket plus a silk liner. I will sleep in my next day clothes if needed, as I have done camping when it has been cold. There is no jacket in my pack, there are enough shirts and sweaters to layer, if it really cold there will be my rain poncho/coat to add over everything. I am worrying too much. If there is something I really need it can be purchased on the Camino.
Now that the weather has cooled down I can start walking again. Then add the pack weight in stages. Once I am very comfortable walking 20 kilometers with the full load, I'll see about adding any wants.
Many thanks to all who post here with great ideas, items to try and who share experience.
Sounds like you are very well prepared with equipment and have your training regime all sorted.Over the last few months I have packed, repacked, changed out items, left out items and rearranged my pack - a lot. My back pack is not large, Osprey 26L. And although it weights almost 1.4k alone, I have managed to get the total weight down to 5.5 k without water or food. Water gets the weight to 6k.
I got rid of the flannel bag liner and now have a soft woven light weight blanket plus a silk liner. I will sleep in my next day clothes if needed, as I have done camping when it has been cold. There is no jacket in my pack, there are enough shirts and sweaters to layer, if it really cold there will be my rain poncho/coat to add over everything. I am worrying too much. If there is something I really need it can be purchased on the Camino.
Now that the weather has cooled down I can start walking again. Then add the pack weight in stages. Once I am very comfortable walking 20 kilometers with the full load, I'll see about adding any wants.
Many thanks to all who post here with great ideas, items to try and who share experience.
... My back pack is not large, Osprey 26L. And although it weights almost 1.4k alone, ...
SYates is correct (as usual)...sort of... The Osprey rucksack weighs as much as it does empty because it is an internal frame pack with an integral padded waist belt. The Osprey waist belt design is among the best in the industry.
The weight of a rucksack is relative to the quality. While heavier bags are not necessarily the best bags, it is true that the lightest, frameless bags, are NOT advisable for longer treks, carrying more than a couple of kilos. At both ends of the weight curve, most rucksacks are likely not suitable to purpose (Camino).
The lightest bags are more suitable to casual hikes and short day hikes. The heavier bags are more suitable to expedition and through hiking use. Conversely, the typical Camino profile can be likened to Alpine "hut hiking" from one shelter (e.g. albergue) to the next hut or shelter for the night.
Thus, the "sweet spot" if you will, seems to be for internal framed rucksacks of medium volume. You will find a LOT of opinions on what the "best" size is for a rucksack. These range from about 24-25 liters, up to 50 liters or more.
In my opinion and experience, the correct range for the largest tranche of pilgrims is likely between about 35-38 liters to about 45-46 liters. But, your experience and needs may well differ. However, if you are just starting out looking for a Camino rucksack, and are a "normal sized" person, consider this as the place to begin your search.
But, over years of experience, experimentation, and after many sore shoulder and back muscles, and IMHO, and generically stated, the "best" rucksack solution is the one that:
Another consideration is that larger people (like me) wear clothing that is necessarily larger than smaller people. This results in a net increase in pack volume required to "house" all this gear. So, a petite woman wearing XS or S sized clothing will obviously require a smaller pack to contain her extra clothing than will someone who is literally more than twice her size (me), wearing clothing in the XXL range.Trust me, I DO envy pilgrims of smaller stature who can walk a Camino with a 34 liter pack.
- carries the stuff you decide YOU need for YOUR Camino,
- in a manner you determine best (all inside, versus having "dangly bits" strapped to the outside),
- protects the contents from rain, snow, or casual "appropriation" by others during rest stops,
- in a comfortable manner over the span of the day, in all weather. (PERIOD - END STOP)
The weight penalty for the smaller person also tends to be less, as non-clothing gear items tend to be one-size and weight. So, the poncho I carry will be the same as the poncho a much smaller person might carry. Similarly, my smart phone charger and cable is more or less the same as all others...etc.
So much for overall volumetrics...returning to empty pack weight...
Even though the vertical stays, or ribs, are usually a durable ABS plastic, they must have a specific mass and weight to do their job of providing support and rigidity. This goes with having a quality rucksack, of any brand. Some manufacturers still use aluminum stays. These can be better in some circumstances and do bend to conform to the curve of your back. However, they tend to weigh more than the plastic varieties.
Even if you compare this rucksack (Osprey) to other major makers, such as Deuter, Ferrino, the North Face, and many others, you will find they use pretty much the same support system. The biggest differences are usually in the back support panel system.
Some makers use a ribbed pad, alone, or under a webbed piece of fabric to enhance circulation. Others use a stiffly suspended piece of ventilated fabric in a trampoline sort of arrangement to suspend the pack from your back to provide a cushioned carry and ventilation. Some merely use a pad, covered in ventilated fabric.
Some of these choices are cost-driven. Others are performance-driven. In the end, the weight variance among the better rucksacks comes down to grams or a few ounces. What matters most, at least IMHO, is how the pack feels after 10 or 20 Km, over undulating or hilly terrain, in a range of weather.
I do believe that, after a few days on Camino, the "best rucksack" for you is the one that fits like a comfortable pair of old shoes or your favorite sweater (pull). You feel good hoisting it onto your back in the morning, and actually feel somewhat "naked" when you remove it at breaks and at the end of each day's walk.
THAT is how I know my Osprey Kestrel 48 liter pack is right for me. I need the volume to carry the stuff I require. This includes clothing, gear, and the extra nutritional supplements and medication I must carry for personal reasons. The back panel conforms perfectly to my back, shoulders and hips, the weight is relative, and I DO feel somewhat naked without the pack after a day's walk.
I hope this helps the dialog.
probably an older model, or less expensive one. technology costsThe one thing that puzzles me is that my Osprey Exos with 48l weight only 1130g (internal frame and all included) whilst the OPs backpack weights nearly 300g more but has only 26l. Buen Camino, SY
The Exos was built to be Osprey's "ultralight" offering. The fabric is thin (and therefore lighter) and much less durable than other Osprey models.
I believe I began with what I thought I wanted and imagined I might need, I now have what I really need but may not particularly want - it's been interesting to experience this transition.Over the last few months I have packed, repacked, changed out items, left out items and rearranged my pack - a lot. My back pack is not large, Osprey 26L. And although it weights almost 1.4k alone, I have managed to get the total weight down to 5.5 k without water or food. Water gets the weight to 6k.
I got rid of the flannel bag liner and now have a soft woven light weight blanket plus a silk liner. I will sleep in my next day clothes if needed, as I have done camping when it has been cold. There is no jacket in my pack, there are enough shirts and sweaters to layer, if it really cold there will be my rain poncho/coat to add over everything. I am worrying too much. If there is something I really need it can be purchased on the Camino.
Now that the weather has cooled down I can start walking again. Then add the pack weight in stages. Once I am very comfortable walking 20 kilometers with the full load, I'll see about adding any wants.
Many thanks to all who post here with great ideas, items to try and who share experience.
SYates is correct (as usual)...sort of... The Osprey rucksack weighs as much as it does empty because it is an internal frame pack with an integral padded waist belt. The Osprey waist belt design is among the best in the industry.
The weight of a rucksack is relative to the quality. While heavier bags are not necessarily the best bags, it is true that the lightest, frameless bags, are NOT advisable for longer treks, carrying more than a couple of kilos. At both ends of the weight curve, most rucksacks are likely not suitable to purpose (Camino).
The lightest bags are more suitable to casual hikes and short day hikes. The heavier bags are more suitable to expedition and through hiking use. Conversely, the typical Camino profile can be likened to Alpine "hut hiking" from one shelter (e.g. albergue) to the next hut or shelter for the night.
Thus, the "sweet spot" if you will, seems to be for internal framed rucksacks of medium volume. You will find a LOT of opinions on what the "best" size is for a rucksack. These range from about 24-25 liters, up to 50 liters or more.
In my opinion and experience, the correct range for the largest tranche of pilgrims is likely between about 35-38 liters to about 45-46 liters. But, your experience and needs may well differ. However, if you are just starting out looking for a Camino rucksack, and are a "normal sized" person, consider this as the place to begin your search.
But, over years of experience, experimentation, and after many sore shoulder and back muscles, and IMHO, and generically stated, the "best" rucksack solution is the one that:
Another consideration is that larger people (like me) wear clothing that is necessarily larger than smaller people. This results in a net increase in pack volume required to "house" all this gear. So, a petite woman wearing XS or S sized clothing will obviously require a smaller pack to contain her extra clothing than will someone who is literally more than twice her size (me), wearing clothing in the XXL range.Trust me, I DO envy pilgrims of smaller stature who can walk a Camino with a 34 liter pack.
- carries the stuff you decide YOU need for YOUR Camino,
- in a manner you determine best (all inside, versus having "dangly bits" strapped to the outside),
- protects the contents from rain, snow, or casual "appropriation" by others during rest stops,
- in a comfortable manner over the span of the day, in all weather. (PERIOD - END STOP)
The weight penalty for the smaller person also tends to be less, as non-clothing gear items tend to be one-size and weight. So, the poncho I carry will be the same as the poncho a much smaller person might carry. Similarly, my smart phone charger and cable is more or less the same as all others...etc.
So much for overall volumetrics...returning to empty pack weight...
Even though the vertical stays, or ribs, are usually a durable ABS plastic, they must have a specific mass and weight to do their job of providing support and rigidity. This goes with having a quality rucksack, of any brand. Some manufacturers still use aluminum stays. These can be better in some circumstances and do bend to conform to the curve of your back. However, they tend to weigh more than the plastic varieties.
Even if you compare this rucksack (Osprey) to other major makers, such as Deuter, Ferrino, the North Face, and many others, you will find they use pretty much the same support system. The biggest differences are usually in the back support panel system.
Some makers use a ribbed pad, alone, or under a webbed piece of fabric to enhance circulation. Others use a stiffly suspended piece of ventilated fabric in a trampoline sort of arrangement to suspend the pack from your back to provide a cushioned carry and ventilation. Some merely use a pad, covered in ventilated fabric.
Some of these choices are cost-driven. Others are performance-driven. In the end, the weight variance among the better rucksacks comes down to grams or a few ounces. What matters most, at least IMHO, is how the pack feels after 10 or 20 Km, over undulating or hilly terrain, in a range of weather.
I do believe that, after a few days on Camino, the "best rucksack" for you is the one that fits like a comfortable pair of old shoes or your favorite sweater (pull). You feel good hoisting it onto your back in the morning, and actually feel somewhat "naked" when you remove it at breaks and at the end of each day's walk.
THAT is how I know my Osprey Kestrel 48 liter pack is right for me. I need the volume to carry the stuff I require. This includes clothing, gear, and the extra nutritional supplements and medication I must carry for personal reasons. The back panel conforms perfectly to my back, shoulders and hips, the weight is relative, and I DO feel somewhat naked without the pack after a day's walk.
I hope this helps the dialog.
Over the last few months I have packed, repacked, changed out items, left out items and rearranged my pack - a lot. My back pack is not large, Osprey 26L. And although it weights almost 1.4k alone, I have managed to get the total weight down to 5.5 k without water or food. Water gets the weight to 6k.
I got rid of the flannel bag liner and now have a soft woven light weight blanket plus a silk liner. I will sleep in my next day clothes if needed, as I have done camping when it has been cold. There is no jacket in my pack, there are enough shirts and sweaters to layer, if it really cold there will be my rain poncho/coat to add over everything. I am worrying too much. If there is something I really need it can be purchased on the Camino.
Now that the weather has cooled down I can start walking again. Then add the pack weight in stages. Once I am very comfortable walking 20 kilometers with the full load, I'll see about adding any wants.
Many thanks to all who post here with great ideas, items to try and who share experience.
you have any trouble gI'm in the last week of our Le Puy to Santiago Camino and an Osprey Exos 48 has been just right for me.
Jo, I can't tell when you plan to walk, but if it will be in warm weather, you may want to plan on carrying more water; the 0.5k you allow for is only a pint. Over the past 70 or so days, I've seen a lot of serious dehydration, which can contribute to a lot of pilgrim maladies from heat stroke to blisters to tendonitis.
We carry two liters each (4 lbs) and usually drink every drop. There are places to refill your water, but we like to start with plenty.
Other than that, congratulation on what sounds like a great job of getting your pack weight and size down to a minimum.
find the dimensions for carry-on luggage for your airline, then do not pack your backpack over those limits. Try to stay well under the limits...if it's a full flight they start looking for the oversized/borderline luggage to pull. If not everything will fit in the pack and still stay under size limits, put the most easily replaced items into a checked bag (so if it gets lost and doesn't find you before you start, you can replace that item(s). For me, this meant wearing my shoes, putting my clothes in the pack, checking a suitcase with my sleeping bag, poles, knife, and post-camino clothes.Did you carry on your Exos 48 or did you check it? I really don't want to check my backpack, particularly from Dulles! Thanks.
you have any trouble g
The one thing that puzzles me is that my Osprey Exos with 48l weight only 1130g (internal frame and all included) whilst the OPs backpack weights nearly 300g more but has only 26l. Buen Camino, SY
My Osprey Talon 33 (actually 31 L in the smaller size) weighs only 900 g.Which Osprey did you get? I can't think of any Osprey under 36L that weighs that much. My Osprey Kyte 46 weighs 1.6kg and is a lot bigger than your 26L.
Good job!! I like your planning.Over the last few months I have packed, repacked, changed out items, left out items and rearranged my pack - a lot. My back pack is not large, Osprey 26L. And although it weights almost 1.4k alone, I have managed to get the total weight down to 5.5 k without water or food. Water gets the weight to 6k.
I got rid of the flannel bag liner and now have a soft woven light weight blanket plus a silk liner. I will sleep in my next day clothes if needed, as I have done camping when it has been cold. There is no jacket in my pack, there are enough shirts and sweaters to layer, if it really cold there will be my rain poncho/coat to add over everything. I am worrying too much. If there is something I really need it can be purchased on the Camino.
Now that the weather has cooled down I can start walking again. Then add the pack weight in stages. Once I am very comfortable walking 20 kilometers with the full load, I'll see about adding any wants.
Many thanks to all who post here with great ideas, items to try and who share experience.
My women's Kyte 36 weighs 3.2 lbs/1.45 k....Which Osprey did you get? I can't think of any Osprey under 36L that weighs that much. My Osprey Kyte 46 weighs 1.6kg and is a lot bigger than your 26L.
I love my Exos - 2 caminos, plus lots of local hikes over the past 3 years - It has a few stains, but no real signs of fatigue. More room in it that I needed on the Camino, but nice to be able to buy some gifts, and some 'civilian clothes' at the end and still get everything in for the flight home.The Exos was built to be Osprey's "ultralight" offering. The fabric is thin (and therefore lighter) and much less durable than other Osprey models.
The lightest bags are more suitable to casual hikes and short day hikes. The heavier bags are more suitable to expedition and through hiking use.
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Over the last few months I have packed, repacked, changed out items, left out items and rearranged my pack - a lot. My back pack is not large, Osprey 26L. And although it weights almost 1.4k alone, I have managed to get the total weight down to 5.5 k without water or food. Water gets the weight to 6k.
I got rid of the flannel bag liner and now have a soft woven light weight blanket plus a silk liner. I will sleep in my next day clothes if needed, as I have done camping when it has been cold. There is no jacket in my pack, there are enough shirts and sweaters to layer, if it really cold there will be my rain poncho/coat to add over everything. I am worrying too much. If there is something I really need it can be purchased on the Camino.
Now that the weather has cooled down I can start walking again. Then add the pack weight in stages. Once I am very comfortable walking 20 kilometers with the full load, I'll see about adding any wants.
Many thanks to all who post here with great ideas, items to try and who share experience.
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