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... Pilgrims used a zurrón or a morral (sorry, I don't know how to translate this terms to English)....
Good find Mark. How did you happen to have that picture at your fingertips?
No, but I was curious so I just googled it. I already kinda knew what it was from old movies and television shows and vintage photos I'd seen before.Good find Mark. How did you happen to have that picture at your fingertips?
Interesting... nice in Winter, hot any other timeHello all,
Has anyone who has walked a Camino used an alternative to a modern-day backpack?
I am in the preparation stages of walking the CF in early spring 2017. I am experimenting with alternatives to a backpack: specifically rolling my sleeping bag length-wise into a long roll, then looping it into a horseshoe shape. I then loop the horseshoe over my shoulder and tie the two ends together. My extra clothes would be placed within the sleeping bag before rolling it into shape.
I will use a small side pack (carried on the opposite side) to carry small items such as toiletries and meds.
The efficiencies of using a modern-day backpack are more practical, I know. But I would like to consider a nod back to the ‘old days’.
Thank you, in advance, for any thoughts or input---they would be greatly appreciated.
Has anyone who has walked a Camino used an alternative to a modern-day backpack? (...)
The efficiencies of using a modern-day backpack are more practical, I know. But I would like to consider a nod back to the ‘old days’.
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And it looks like a scratchy wool blanket, rather than a modern fabric sleeping bag. Also he seems to have a little backpack as well.No, but I was curious so I just googled it. I already kinda knew what it was from old movies and television shows and vintage photos I'd seen before.
The guy in the photo looks like one tired and miserable soldier.
There's quite a range of "old days" to pick from. As @domigee asked, what period do you want to evoke?I would like to consider a nod back to the ‘old days’.
That fellow was the subject of some interest on this forum not too long ago, and he even joined the forum afterwards to respond to some comments. Here is his Facebook page.How far back to the 'old days'? This pilgrim wore 14th century attire, no spare clothes or sleeping bag ... Probably no toiletries either
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35108393
s like someone crouching backwards on on her head.I was on the Caminoteca facebook page last night and there was a photo of a pilgrim who had fashioned her own "headpack".
https://www.facebook.com/caminoteca....1473005756./1113099845408854/?type=3&theater
A modern backpack, with a hip belt, is designed specifically to carry the weight on your HIPS and remove the weight from your shoulders. You are designing a system that is the opposite of that approach. I believe you are taking a giant step backwards with your approach. Even moderately light weights, carried on your shoulders, will cause fatigue and pain.... I am experimenting with alternatives to a backpack: specifically rolling my sleeping bag length-wise into a long roll, then looping it into a horseshoe shape. I then loop the horseshoe over my shoulder and tie the two ends together. ...
If you are curious about this manner of luggage, then by all means try it out during your many Camino-training walks and hikes. Carry the full weight planned, all day, for consecutive days. (Six hours of walking on both a Saturday and Sunday, for example.) This is what training hikes are for - to sort out one's walking kit.Thank you, in advance, for any thoughts or input...
Does it need to be "historical" or just any alternative? This July, I saw an elderly man on the Camino with a type of little cart with a long pole attached, that he pulled after him. Almost like a small bike trailer.
I've seen a guy with a similar "trailer" several times over the last week.Here's an example I saw someone pulling along on my Day 1 west of Ponferrada in June.
I was on the Caminoteca facebook page last night and there was a photo of a pilgrim who had fashioned her own "headpack".
https://www.facebook.com/caminoteca....1473005756./1113099845408854/?type=3&theater
Those poncho liners stuffed in a compression bag would work well on the Camino during the warmer months for sleeping in albergues. Warmer nights you can just lay it over the bunk and sleep on top. Colder nights, tie the strings together and use it sleeping sack style. I was always impressed how warm they are for their weight. They seem to reflect a lot of body heat back to you.When I was in the army we'd go out with a poncho and a poncho liner when it was summer and if we were doing longer range patrolling. The poncho liner was a very thin quilt with strings on the corners which you tied to the corners of the poncho. You pulled the neck strings tight and twisted the hood inside. It was fairly light and thin compared to the big military bags we carried in the '80's. Some guys rolled it up and attached to the bottom of their ruck others made a U and looped it over the top and tied to the side and others just crammed it in the bottom--it sometimes depended on the boss and if they cared about looking uniform. You could make something similar and like mentioned above fold it properly i.e. burrito style to make it waterproof.
Yep seems to me they are getting hard to find. I usually hit military bases 3-4 times a year because I am retired Army but the equipment has changed so the poncho/liner has been replaced with Gortex coats so the surplus stores seems to be the only place a person could get lucky to find them. The civilian sleeping bag liners are easier to find.Those poncho liners stuffed in a compression bag would work well on the Camino during the warmer months for sleeping in albergues. Warmer nights you can just lay it over the bunk and sleep on top. Colder nights, tie the strings together and use it sleeping sack style. I was always impressed how warm they are for their weight. They seem to reflect a lot of body heat back to you.
Yeah, I still have two of them from when I was in. Never took one on a Camino, but if I were to do it in the spring months, I think it would fit the bill for sleeping in. May even have velcro strips sewn down the edges about 3/4 the way up to give it more of a sleep sack configuration, but still be able to lay it flat if need be.Yep seems to me they are getting hard to find. I usually hit military bases 3-4 times a year because I am retired Army but the equipment has changed so the poncho/liner has been replaced with Gortex coats so the surplus stores seems to be the only place a person could get lucky to find them. The civilian sleeping bag liners are easier to find.
Have you seen the threads with folks making tents out of ponchos? The funny thing is how many nights we slept in the mud with just this poncho & liner. I still think about my grand dad & his wool bedroll in the trenches . Thank goodness for technology.Yeah, I still have two of them from when I was in. Never took one on a Camino, but if I were to do it in the spring months, I think it would fit the bill for sleeping in. May even have velcro strips sewn down the edges about 3/4 the way up to give it more of a sleep sack configuration, but still be able to lay it flat if need be.
Have you seen the threads with folks making tents out of ponchos? The funny thing is how many nights we slept in the mud with just this poncho & liner. I still think about my grand dad & his wool bedroll in the trenches . Thank goodness for technology.
Thank you!For a fascinating account by another man who also wondered about his grandfather in WW1 trenches read Back to the Front by Stephen O'Shea who on his own pilgrimage/memorial walked and camped the long, long road foĺlowed by his grandfather's regiment across Belgium and France so many years ago.
We have much in common I 19D to 19F to 19K over the years. Feel free to message so we don't take up space for what the Camino forum is for. More to the point why we found the call to the El Camino de Santiago.Luckily, I spent most of my time in Armor. We dropped a duffle in the bustle rack and attached the rucks to the outside of the bustle. So, always had room for the bag (and pretty much anything else you wanted) but found we often just wrapped up in the poncho liner at night. I still have one I bought at Ft. Knox.
I wonder how hard it would be carrying one of those huge rucks on the camino. They must have weighed 80- 100 pounds if you had to carry the radio plus a bunch of ammo.
Luckily, I spent most of my time in Armor. We dropped a duffle in the bustle rack and attached the rucks to the outside of the bustle. So, always had room for the bag (and pretty much anything else you wanted) but found we often just wrapped up in the poncho liner at night. I still have one I bought at Ft. Knox.
I wonder how hard it would be carrying one of those huge rucks on the camino. They must have weighed 80- 100 pounds if you had to carry the radio plus a bunch of ammo.
Thank you for that information. Found it on amazon and it's in my shopping cart.For a fascinating account by another man who also wondered about his grandfather in WW1 trenches read Back to the Front by Stephen O'Shea who on his own pilgrimage/memorial walked and camped the long, long road foĺlowed by his grandfather's regiment across Belgium and France so many years ago.
When my dad watches the news and embedded documentaries on television where they are following around a modern infantry unit, he cannot believe how big the rucks they carry are, and how much equipment they haul around. I tell him the days of wool and canvas are gone, and it's gore-tex and synthetics.Have you seen the threads with folks making tents out of ponchos? The funny thing is how many nights we slept in the mud with just this poncho & liner. I still think about my grand dad & his wool bedroll in the trenches . Thank goodness for technology.
You forgot the M-60 tripod and extra barrel, or the inert M-47 Dragon training aid.
I could never imagine even carrying a pack that heavy on the Camino nor would I want to, since I'm not in the military anymore and not bound by a mandatory packing list, I can carry as much or as little as I choose, I like my knees to stay healthy for many years so I go as light as I can.
Actually, that would work well on the Camino. Serves as a sleep sack as well as a cool weather jacket/pullover.Could this be the answer?
https://gearjunkie.com/somnambula-wearable-convertible-sleeping-bag
That person must be walking very short distances on the Camino. That'd be a uncomfortable way to carry stuff just going from terminal to terminal or gates in an airport.This is probably not the best way to carry your gear. View attachment 28976
Hello all,
Has anyone who has walked a Camino used an alternative to a modern-day backpack?
I am in the preparation stages of walking the CF in early spring 2017. I am experimenting with alternatives to a backpack: specifically rolling my sleeping bag length-wise into a long roll, then looping it into a horseshoe shape. I then loop the horseshoe over my shoulder and tie the two ends together. My extra clothes would be placed within the sleeping bag before rolling it into shape.
I will use a small side pack (carried on the opposite side) to carry small items such as toiletries and meds.
The efficiencies of using a modern-day backpack are more practical, I know. But I would like to consider a nod back to the ‘old days’.
Thank you, in advance, for any thoughts or input---they would be greatly appreciated.
What time of year did you walk? Did you carry a sleeping bag or just a liner? Did you stay in alburgues? That is simply awesome. Rain gear?We came from Kuwait, and I ended up ditching my backpack in favor of my extremely versatile ghutra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keffiyeh ) and it worked great...sling, handbag...ultra light and expanded or contracted to fit the needs of the day...I the basic size is a square 1+ meters. I folded in half and knotted the ends for the pouch, then tied the other 2 ends to make the sling. Could carry the weight on either shoulder, front or back...worked great for me.
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