Accomodation - personal data now required

MikeyC · 2024-11-27T09:43:12+0100

It seems that after several pushbacks the new requirements come into force on December 2nd.
Accomodation providers will be required to collect a raft of personal data from all guests. This will include financial information such as credit card and bank details, full contact details and relationship between travellers.
The same applies to car hire companies.
The data is to be sent daily to authorities to help combat crime and terrorism.
Expect delays at check in.

SabsP · 2024-11-27T09:48:53+0100

MikeyC said:
It seems that after several pushbacks the new requirements come into force on December 2nd.
Accomodation providers will be required to collect a raft of personal data from all guests. This will include financial information such as credit card and bank details, full contact details and relationship between travellers.
The same applies to car hire companies.
The data is to be sent daily to authorities to help combat crime and terrorism.
Expect delays at check in.

Which? What? Where?

An offficial link might be welcome.

MikeyC · 2024-11-27T10:03:48+0100

SabsP said:
Which? What? Where?

An offficial link might be welcome.

Non official link but from a trade body mentioning the relevant legislation.

https://www.businesstravelnewseurope.com/Management/Travel-groups-warn-over-enforcement-of-Spain-s-new-data-rule

MikeyC · 2024-11-27T10:09:06+0100

SabsP said:
Which? What? Where?

An offficial link might be welcome.

Text of the Decree:

BOE-A-2021-17461 Real Decreto 933/2021, de 26 de octubre, por el que se establecen las obligaciones de registro documental e información de las personas físicas o jurídicas que ejercen actividades de hospedaje y alquiler de vehículos a motor.

www.boe.es

JCLima · 2024-11-27T12:35:21+0100

An old thread about it: https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...nges-coming-for-spanish-accommodations.84192/

An older thread about it: https://www.caminodesantiago.me/com...-travellers-in-spain-starting-feb-2023.78423/

Edit: I’m assuming they’re all referring to the same thing; apologies if that’s not the case

CWBuff · 2024-11-27T13:36:16+0100

Credit card AND bank details?!?! OK... I'm somewhat might be agreeable to give the 1st (although suppose I don't have one and paying cash for everything) but definitely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS regarding the 2nd
Bank details,!?@?

Pilgrim9 · 2024-11-27T14:02:25+0100

Are the un-banked and un-credit-carded to be turned away?

JCLima · 2024-11-27T14:02:47+0100

CWBuff said:
Credit card AND bank details?!?! OK... I'm somewhat might be agreeable to give the 1st (although suppose I don't have one and paying cash for everything) but definitely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS regarding the 2nd
Bank details,!?@?

I'm assuming they need to keep the CC details if you pay with CC and the bank details if you pay with a bank transfer; if you pay by cash, those do not apply.

Tincatinker · 2024-11-27T14:10:52+0100

CWBuff said:
Credit card AND bank details?!?! OK... I'm somewhat might be agreeable to give the 1st (although suppose I don't have one and paying cash for everything) but definitely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS regarding the 2nd
Bank details,!?@?

that is not what is required. It's the "method" of payment ie: cash; credit card; bank card; bank transfer.

One simple avoidance is to pay cash. Or just take comfort that "they": the Bankers, and Elon, Steve, Sundar, Larry and all the rest already know who you are; where you've been; your shopping habits; favourite Coffee Chain and probably your shoe size and inside-leg.

henrythedog · 2024-11-27T14:18:03+0100

JCLima said:
I'm assuming they need to keep the CC details if you pay with CC and the bank details if you pay with a bank transfer; if you pay by cash, those do not apply.

You are correct. It is set out in ‘Anexo 1’as @Tincatinker says (in Spanish) as ‘the means of payment’ for the specific transaction.

I habitually pay for much of my social life in cash as it is not auditable. I have no concerns about the various official bodies, it’s Mrs HtD’s propensity to audit which keeps me awake at night.

There is a distinction in the decree between commercial and non-commercial organisations which may be relevant to donativos, but someone more thorough that I will have to opine on that.

MaxHelado · 2024-11-27T14:28:09+0100

MikeyC said:
It seems that after several pushbacks the new requirements come into force on December 2nd.
Accomodation providers will be required to collect a raft of personal data from all guests. This will include financial information such as credit card and bank details, full contact details and relationship between travellers.
The same applies to car hire companies.
The data is to be sent daily to authorities to help combat crime and terrorism.
Expect delays at check in.

MikeyC said:
Accomodation providers will be required to collect a raft of personal data from all guests. This will include financial information such as credit card and bank details, full contact details and relationship between travellers.

A raft of personal data?
Reading the appendix in the decree it seems to me the hotel/albergue will want a copy of my passport (which they already ask for) plus my address, phone number and email.
They will only ask about the relationship if I am travelling with a minor.
If that’s the case it doesn’t seem like a big deal to me.

MikeJS · 2024-11-27T14:31:59+0100

MaxHelado said:
A raft of personal data?
Reading the appendix in the decree it seems to me the hotel/albergue will want a copy of my passport (which they already ask for) plus my address, phone number and email.
They will only ask about the relationship if I am travelling with a minor.
If that’s the case it doesn’t seem like a big deal to me.

You do not have to be truthful…..

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