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A personal introduction and request for information about less traveled Caminos

Thomasindocs

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Hello, and a Buen Camino to all!

I thought I would introduce myself as I request any available advice for my upcoming Caminos. Mind you, I am researching hours a day and don't mind doing so, but I will also be grateful for any direction some of you may point me in.

First, my request (for anyone uninterested in reading beyond). I intend to begin 2025 walking the following Caminos:

1. The Strait of Gibraltar (Algeciras - Puerto Real)
2. Serrana Road (Gibraltar - Utrera)
3. Argar Road (Almeria - Lorca)
4. Argar Road (Lorca - Mora)
5. Manchego Way (Ciudad Real - Toledo)
6. Cartagena Road (Cartagena - Petrola)
7. The Wool Trail (Javea - Almansa)
8. Southeast Route (Benidorm - Montealegre del Castillo)
9. Southeast Route (Torre de la Horadada - Benavente)
10. The Wool Route (Alicante - Burgos)

Sadly, there is not much information available in English regarding accommodation on these routes or the routes themselves. Of course, I can use an online translator for the Spanish sites I find links to, but it is a different challenge searching for specific information in Spanish as a non-Spanish speaker. Therefore, if anyone has walked any of the above-mentioned Caminos or has links to blogs of others who have, I would greatly appreciate any additional resources.

As for myself, I started my first Camino on June 9th, 2023, my 45th birthday. As an avid traveler, visiting 98 countries to date and counting, I had first heard about the Camino perhaps some two decades ago but had yet to feel the calling. Instead, I had created a life that allowed me to backpack three months a year, choosing different regions of the world to explore. That was until 2022 when everything changed.

I had been living in Saint Petersburg, Russia, as an expat for 15 years when the war began. A war that was thought by most as one that would last no more than days and yet remains ongoing today. I stuck things out for about half a year when rumors of the first round of mobilization were leaked, one which some claimed would include closed borders and the introduction of martial law. As an American citizen, I was not at risk of mobilization myself but certainly had no desire to say goodbye to friends who may be called to the frontlines, likely never to return. I perhaps also wisely understood it would be better to witness these events from outside the country's borders rather than from within and planned my exit.

At the time, I had no idea I would be leaving my chosen home behind for good, packing nothing more than a backpack of important documents and some changes of clothes. I had managed to remove some of the life savings I had in Russian banks, however over USD 30k remains locked inside the country to this day. This is in addition to another $30k+ I have slowly out to others in my attempt to help them escape, money which I can't guarantee will ever be returned. Finally, my 11-hour traumatic experience at the border crossing did not make me feel as though a quick return would be warranted. Thereafter, learning that the FSB began interviewing my neighbors about my life there led me to believe I had made the right decision. I have not returned since.

After exiting, I returned to my home state of California to come up with my Plan B. As my health had greatly deteriorated over the previous half year, I thought a good, long trek could be healing. I initially registered for a Spring 2023 start date on the Pacific Crest Trail and began walking daily in preparation. However, as my long-term goals included getting back to Europe, this idea fell to the sideline when starting my application for European residency. Finally, upon gaining residency the first week of June, the Camino's call was answered.

I started on the North, looking for challenging something with the benefit of views of the sea. I started not with the goal of finishing, something I was unsure I would be able to do in my condition at the time, but with the goal of taking one step after another. Regardless, I reached Santiago on my 30th day but understood I wasn't ready to stop. From there, I carried on through Muxia to Finisterre but still was left feeling incomplete. Porto, I thought and headed out on the Camino Portuguese Coastal with the Spiritual variant. From Porto, I carried on to Lisbon to visit some other displaced friends.

I took a break at that point as my new residency required some bureaucratic attention. Not to mention, my gear was sincerely in need of replacement. But, I headed out again on the Le Puy the first week of September, followed by the French and then the English. After such, again, a rest was in order to replenish my gear, as well as some visits with friends, a bit of dental work, and a brief three weeks in Morocco to escape the winter chill. But, come February 2024, I was off again.

Starting this time on the Camino de La Plata through the Sanabrés, after reaching Santiago, I carried on through the Camino Primitiva, Inverno, Camino Portuguese Central, Camino Fatima, and the Camino Portuguese Interior until mid-May, when I had a wedding to attend. This was followed by the completion of the aforementioned dental work and several days of backpacking as I healed. Finally, a brief 3-day stop to tackle the Lichtenstein Trail, all before returning to Spain.

Next, I completed the Camino Catalán, Camino Aragonés, and Camino Baztan before my gear and my residency renewal were in need of my attention requiring a short break from the way. I started again in September, completing the Camino Vasco del Interior, Camino del Salvador, Camino Lebaniego, Camino Vadiniense, and the Camino de Madrid, before heading back down south and completing the Camino Mozárabe (including all three alternative starts from Almería, Málaga, and Jaén, as well as a side trip to walk the Caminito del Rey), and finally finished off 2024 with the Camino Via Augusta and the Camino del Sur. My current plan is to return to the south of Spain in the next two weeks to tackle the Camino del Estrecha and Camino Serrana before returning to Almeria from where I wish to begin the Camino Argar, followed by heading up the south-eastern coast to complete the Caminos originating from there.

In summary, with my life requiring a full restart after ultimately losing nearly all that I had gained over the 15 years prior, I have found that the Camino has brought me the peace I was greatly in need of as well as the sense of achievement I long for that I used to experience annually from my worldwide treks, mountain summits, and exploration of new countries and cultures. Fortunately, as a self-employed online English tutor, I am able to manage the costs of my journey by teaching in the evenings after my daily treks. My current hope is to manage completing all of the Spanish routes before considering what comes next. It is my desire to photograph all of the various ways for others who wish to follow my path or to simply assist them in choosing their own. For anyone interested, you are welcome to visit instagram.com/thomasindocs to enjoy what I have already managed to share. When the Camino allows, I will continue to update with all the routes I have yet to publish.

So, that's my story; just one of many who walk the Camino for their own unique reasons. I would like to thank everyone in advance for their willingness to offer any information or advice that may help lead me to my goal. And I wish for all of you to feel the same achievements my Caminos have offered me.

My sincerest thank you,
Thomas Lowers
 
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The 2024 Camino guides will be coming out little by little. Here is a collection of the ones that are out so far.
Sadly, there is not much information available in English regarding accommodation on these routes or the routes themselves.
I think the information on accommodation, etc. on a few of those Camino's is on gronze.com. Which you will need to translate.

Also in the forum that covers "other" routes in Spain you'll find some information about some of these Caminos from people who walked them:


Also use the search bar at the upper right to search for threads relating to particular Camino's. And post specific questions or reach out. If somebody posted about a particular Camino, they'll probably be happy to share their experiences or point you to where they got their information.

Most of the people who you want to talk to, will not see your post. You'll have to find them on the forum, I think.
 
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1. Camino del Estrecha (Algeciras - Puerto Real)
2. Camino Serrana (Gibraltar - Utrera)
3. Camino Argar (Almeria - Lorca)
4. Camino Argar (Lorca - Mora)
5. Camino Manchego (Ciudad Real - Toledo)
6. Camino de Cartagena (Cartagena - Petrola)
7. Camino de la Lana (Javea - Almansa)
8. Camino del Sureste (Benidorm - Montealegre del Castillo)
9. Camino del Sureste (Torre de la Horadada - Benavente)
10. Camino de la Lana (Alicante - Burgos)
Hi Thomas, and welcome,
I believe I met you quite briefly at Casa Rosa in Sto. Domingo de Flores on the Camino de Invierno last year, because your back-story definitely rings a bell. You've certainly been keeping busy since.

I haven't walked any of the routes you're planning next, but would like to point out that number 7 is actually the Camino del Alba, which feeds into the Ruta de la Lana.

Cheers, and buen camino(s)!
 
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I think the information on accommodation, etc. on a few of those Camino's is on gronze.com. Which you will need to translate.

Also in the forum that covers "other" routes in Spain you'll find some information about some of these Caminos from people who walked them:


Also use the search bar at the upper right to search for threads relating to particular Camino's. And post specific questions or reach out. If somebody posted about a particular Camino, they'll probably be happy to share their experiences or point you to where they got their information.

Most of the people who you want to talk to, will not see your post. You'll have to find them on the forum, I think.
Thank you, Stephan. Yes, Gronze has been an incredibly helpful resource when walking some of the lesser-known ways. It became my primary source when I started to feel limitations from the otherwise excellent Buen Camino app. Sadly, as with most other resources, Gronze lists several of the eastern routes, but only as pending. Still, I greatly appreciate your comments and suggestions. Your assistance in navigating this forum is sure to be helpful! Again, I thank you!
 
Hi Thomas, and welcome,
I believe I met you quite briefly at Casa Rosa in Sto. Domingo de Flores on the Camino de Invierno last year, because your back-story definitely rings a bell. You've certainly been keeping busy since.

I haven't walked any of the routes you're planning next, but would like to point out that number 7 is actually the Camino del Alba, which feeds into the Ruta de la Lana.

Cheers, and buen camino(s)!
Thank you for your kind welcome. Yes, I imagine we must have passed ways as I doubt my specific back-story is necessarily common. Though, I guess one never knows. I have had the pleasure of meeting a few Russian/Ukrainian/Belarussian pilgrims along the way who were likely in search of the same refuge, though I try my best not to pry with what is not openly shared.

Thank you for the correction regarding the Camino del Alba. It was my mistake to remove that part of the title when posting as the source listed it in brackets. Certainly, I will have better success if to search online with the proper names. Much appreciated!

Buen Camino! Perhaps we will cross paths again.)
 
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Welcome to the Camino forum, @Thomasindocs. You have already "lived a lot of life" for being quite young...amazing!
I am not on Instagram, but enjoyed looking at the beautiful pictures you have shared on this thread. Good luck researching your plethora of new Camino plans. You should have some good input from seasoned forum members of the more remote paths should you ask questions. You could also be helpful to others wanting to walk some of the lesser known routes by sharing some of your own experiences.
 
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5. Manchego Way (Ciudad Real - Toledo)
If you haven't found it already, this is actually the better sub-forum to find whatever information is on this board about obscure Spanish Camino's:


Here's a forum post I found in that sub forum:
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/camino-manchego.51261/

And more information from that post :
 
If you haven't found it already, this is actually the best sub-forum to find whatever information is on this board about obscure Spanish Camino's:


Here's a forum post I found in that sub forum:
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/camino-manchego.51261/

And more information from that post:
Thank you very much, Stephan! This is sure to be useful!
 
I've recently been working on collecting notes for a hybrid camino starting with the Manchego. It is still a work in progress and the notes are crude but you are welcome to them. You've already seen some of the URLs that were posted here (thanks folks).


SECTION 1) Camino Manchego

Notes:

I chose sites within towns to serve as the latitude and longitude coordinates. It was sort of random. I may change them in the future to something less random but I haven't figured out what yet.

There is no information on the Manchego on the Gronze website.

Long description of the Camino Manchego and its towns:
https://caminosantiagomanchego.blogspot.com/2008/12/descripcin-del-camino.html

Old website that I haven't explored yet:
https://delamanchaalcamino.blogspot.com/

Another website not explored yet but this looks super useful:
https://www.mundicamino.com/rutas-camino-de-santiago/camino-manchego/

Easy access to the GPS tracks (distance information for the Manchego tracks come from here):
https://www.outdooractive.com/mobile/en/list/camino-manchego/241299392/

A place where Camino de Santiago tracks can be downloaded from (this is where I got my tracks):
https://centrodedescargas.cnig.es/CentroDescargas/loadCamSan.do

This forum thread has the accounts of @Bachibouzouk’s May 2018 walk and @gns’s September 2023 walk of the Camino Manchego:
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/camino-manchego.51261/

This forum thread has the account of @Umwandert’s December 2024 walk of the Camino Manchego (my notes below on lodgings often come from Umwandert):
https://www.caminodesantiago.me/community/threads/camino-manchego-in-december.89835/


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Etapa 1
Ciudad Real - Malagon
27.1 km (16.84 miles)
38.9858854,-3.9284397 Ciudad Real
39.1674257,-3.8531809 Malagon
ES34a_01a_ciudad_real-malagon.kml

Lodging:
https://www.granjaorea.com/Web/contenido/contacto-y-localizacion


Hostel Pensión Los Molinos, Malagón, Spain
Founders Cooperative Avenue, 119, 13420 Malagon, Ciudad Real, Spain
Av. Fundadores Cooperativa, 119, 13420 Malagón, Ciudad Real, Spain
https://maps.app.goo.gl/jM6V6D1HrEV1pKYS9

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Etapa 2
Malagon - Los Yebenes
50.4 km (31.32 miles)
39.1674257,-3.8531809 Malagon
39.5819105,-3.8708753 Los Yebenes
ES34a_02b_variante-los_yebenes.kml

Lodging:
https://brujuleaalbergue.net/albergues-malagon

hotel, Casa Apelio (30 euros, booked directly via the website), in the town centre.

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Note: An alternative way for Malagon to Los Yebenes is to add an extra day by walking Malagon to Urda to Los Yebenes. This has you walking farther but it does cut a 50.4 km day down to walks of 35.9 km and 28.2 km.

Malagon - Urda
35.9 km (22.31 miles)
39.1674257,-3.8531809 Malagon
ES34a-02b-variante-los-yebenes.kml
Lodging:
Hotel, La Casa del Medico Hosteria Rural (66 euros).

urda - Los Yebenes
28.2 km (17.52 miles)
ES34a-03a-urda-los-yebenes.kml

Malagon - Urda - Los Yebenes
64.1 km (39.83 miles)

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Etapa 3
Los Yebenes - Sonseca
18.3 km (11.37 miles)
39.5819105,-3.8708753 Los Yebenes
39.6792530,-3.9702352 Sonseca
ES34a_04a_los_yebenes-sonseca.kml

Lodging:
Then I marched briskly out of town to the Hostal New York (40 euros with breakfast) …
I didn't have to return to the centre, which was almost 2km away,

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Etapa 4
Sonseca - Toledo
25.3 km (15.72 miles)
39.6792530,-3.9702352 Sonseca
39.8575573,-4.0240209 Toledo
ES34a_05a_sonseca-toledo.kml


I like to treat myself to a special reward at the end of a Camino. In this case, an overnight stay in the Parador, which is located directly opposite the old town on a hill and offers fantastic views.

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Note that Etapas 3 and 4 could be combined into a long day of 43.6 km, 27.1 miles if you want to save yourself the cost of a night’s lodging. A disadvantage of this is you may be too tired to fully appreciate the view of Toledo as you approach it.
 
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2nd ed.
Thank you so very much for all of this information. I promise you, I will make good use of it.

Yes, my method for cutting costs on the Via Augusta and Del Sur was to double the suggested walking distance each day. I only work four evenings a week leaving me three full days to really spread my legs. My best has been 57.3km so far, but feel confident that with longer days come spring, I’ll be able to break 60km. This time round I have upgraded my battery capabilities that should allow me to work on the trail when necessary which will reduce my schedule limitations.

Also, though it may be frowned upon, I am also curious about sleeping under the stars on Caminos without albergues, seems like a foam pad and bivy could be enough. Would love to hear from others who have experience with this.
 

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