John Brierley book - duplicate town?

[RobinGore]

In the pages of the Brierley Camino Frances book (I have the 2019 edition): On Etapa/Stage 29, Sarria to Portomarín ... there is a town listed twice called Baxán. It is listed as the next town after Rente on the map in the Brierley book. Then comes A Pena, Cortiñas, and then appears Baxán again (!) just before Morgade.

 

[dougfitz]

OSM lists two hamlets, Baxan Grande and Baxan Pequeno, just to the south-west of A Serra. They seem to be a little off the Camino Frances route. Neither appear to be close to Morgade. There are other locations with the name elsewhere in Spain and some other countries.

 

[J Willhaus]

Yes, I see them on the map page. I don't recall walking through either and no signage that I recall.

 

[J Willhaus]

On Google it shows the location closer to Sarria, but not the one closer to Portomarin. It might be just a typo.

 

[RobinGore]

OSM lists two hamlets, Baxan Grande and Baxan Pequeno, just to the south-west of A Serra. They seem to be a little off the Camino Frances route. Neither appear to be close to Morgade. There are other locations with the name elsewhere in Spain and some other countries.

thank you for your reply! that's so sweet! I uploaded a picture of what I'm seeing and both of these little Baxan hamlets appear to be directly on the route but maps can be deceptive. Thanks Doug!

 

[RobinGore]

On Google it shows the location closer to Sarria, but not the one closer to Portomarin. It might be just a typo.

I just posted a photo - I'm on a mission now

 

[Paul-CH]

I hope you don't base your Camino on such outdated kind of "MAPS"
This is more a drawing of the area to give you an overview and not o map I would hiking with it.
I prefer OSM or Outdooractive with all the necessary maps offline on my pilgrimages.

 

[Anhalter]

I hope you don't base your Camino on such outdated kind of "MAPS"
This is more a drawing of the area to give you an overview and not o map I would hiking with it.
I prefer OSM or Outdooractive with all the necessary maps offline on my pilgrimages.

To be fair, between Sarria and Santiago not much of a map is needed, be it printed or digital... also i dare to say for a large part of the year not even any planning would be needed.

 

[Paul-CH]

also i dare to say for a large part of the year not even any planning would be needed.

For the Frances in seasons you may be right, but I would still do some planning, as I like to know what kind of stages I have to make in between Cities/Villages I would like to spend some hours to visit.

 

[BombayBill]

I’m not saying it’s true of the Brierley publishers but some map publishers put in false data here and there in order to establish their copyright. Should their map be reproduced without attribution they can then prove ownership. Again I’m not saying this is the case here.

Map Traps: Intentional Mapping Errors to Combat Plagiarism

Mapmakers have been known to create trap streets, which are fictional streets inserted on a map with the intention of fighting plagiarism.

www.geographyrealm.com

 

[Anamiri]

In the pages of the Brierley Camino Frances book (I have the 2019 edition): On Etapa/Stage 29, Sarria to Portomarín ... there is a town listed twice called Baxán. It is listed as the next town after Rente on the map in the Brierley book. Then comes A Pena, Cortiñas, and then appears Baxán again (!) just before Morgade.

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Having walked that route this year, I dont see they are useful in your planning as there is nothing on offer for pilgrims. (From memory I think one of them had a giant shed. )

 

[RobinGore]

For the Frances in seasons you may be right, but I would still do some planning, as I like to know what kind of stages I have to make in between Cities/Villages I would like to spend some hours to visit.

I find a lot of joy just in the planning

 

[RobinGore]

OSM lists two hamlets, Baxan Grande and Baxan Pequeno, just to the south-west of A Serra. They seem to be a little off the Camino Frances route. Neither appear to be close to Morgade. There are other locations with the name elsewhere in Spain and some other countries.

I've not heard of OSM, where can find that? Thanks

 

[BombayBill]

I've not heard of OSM, where can find that? I googled it but it looks like wikipedia

OsmAnd | OsmAnd

Offline Mobile Maps & Navigation

osmand.net

 

[Paul-CH]

I've not heard of OSM, where can find that? I

I don't know what kind of phone you have for my iPhone I found it in the app store with the name:
OsmAnd Maps from OsmAND B.V. but there must be an Android app too.

 

[Rodger Croft]

In my 2015 edition of Brierley there is only the Baxan near Saria. There is a village just before Morgade called A Brea. So probably a typo.

 

[Joe.Iozzi]

I hope you don't base your Camino on such outdated kind of "MAPS"
This is more a drawing of the area to give you an overview and not o map I would hiking with it.
I prefer OSM or Outdooractive with all the necessary maps offline on my pilgrimages.

Actually, I think his maps are great. They show the really important stuff, e.g. how far you need to walk to get coffee, how far to get lunch.

 

[dougfitz]

I've not heard of OSM, where can find that? Thanks

Here is a link the the website. This should bring up the whole of the Iberian peninsula. There is a search box on the page.
I also use the Android app, and you will find the OSM geospatial data set is used by many other mapping apps and camino specific tools. Many mapping services will integrate several sources, including OSM.

On the earlier question, I had a look on the IGN Android App, and found the two locations I found on OSM in Lugo province. There are more listings for the name elsewhere, but the two in Lugo province are for a callejero (street) and poblacion (?settlement). Both are near A Serra.

I haven't found anything near Morgade. @Blister Bill might have the best explanation for that.

 

[John Hungerford]

Neither of these two Baxan towns are shown in the 2008 edition.

 

[RobinGore]

Actually, I think his maps are great. They show the really important stuff, e.g. how far you need to walk to get coffee, how far to get lunch.

I agree, I'm going through his book now ... his maps truly are incredible

 

[RobinGore]

I hope you don't base your Camino on such outdated kind of "MAPS"
This is more a drawing of the area to give you an overview and not o map I would hiking with it.
I prefer OSM or Outdooractive with all the necessary maps offline on my pilgrimages.

don't you fret, I'm not too worried about the maps and completely realize they're all a bit different ... I love playing with and studying maps. I do have to check out OSM (never heard of it)

 

[Paul-CH]

don't you fret, I'm not too worried about the maps and completely realize they're all a bit different ... I love playing with and studying maps. I do have to check out OSM (never heard of it)

I do my planning with Gronze, Buen Camino and other apps. With my Google research for open Bars/Restaurants will be filled into my spreadsheet. Like some people doing it with Brierley and other books. Even with Google you may find a Restaurant or Hotel, which doesn't exist anymore.

 

[Jeff Crawley]

I hope you don't base your Camino on such outdated kind of "MAPS"
This is more a drawing of the area to give you an overview and not o map I would hiking with it.
I prefer OSM or Outdooractive with all the necessary maps offline on my pilgrimages.

A rubric found on an 18th century map in a Boston library:

WARNING:
Roads are shifted, houses burn,
are abandoned or rebuilt;
a round world distorts a flat map;
man’s memory is fallible;
expect not exactness.​

 

[Jeff Crawley]

Having walked that route this year, I dont see they are useful in your planning as there is nothing on offer for pilgrims. (From memory I think one of them had a giant shed. )

 

[RobinGore]

A rubric found on an 18th century map in a Boston library:

WARNING:
Roads are shifted, houses burn,
are abandoned or rebuilt;
a round world distorts a flat map;
man’s memory is fallible;
expect not exactness.​

it's so true

 

[falcon269]

Some map errors are intentionally placed by cartographers, often referred to as "trap streets" or "phantom settlements," to protect their intellectual property by identifying potential map plagiarists who might copy the error onto their own maps without realizing it; essentially acting as a copyright trap.

 

[trecile]

For the Frances in seasons you may be right, but I would still do some planning, as I like to know what kind of stages I have to make in between Cities/Villages I would like to spend some hours to visit.

That's the difference between research and planning. Research to know which places you think you might be interested in spending more time in, but know that you may find yourself utterly enchanted in a place that you have never heard of. Plan enough time that you can alter stages as those magical places crop up, or if you get sick or injured.

 

[Paul-CH]

Plan enough time that you can alter stages as those magical places crop up

That is why a good research will help me to find places. Even on VdlP Cádiz-SdC with 44 stages between 15km (2h 15m) and 42km (6h 45m) walking I had enough time to see unexpected things. With the right training throughout the year, it is easier to walk the few weeks on the Camino even at the age 68.