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Does anyone know what it’s like to do the Camino as a lapsed Catholic??? I know we’re not meant to discuss religion on these forums but I’m sure there are many like me who have done it and enjoyed it. I’m from a science background myself but I’ve just read Genesis again and now I don’t know what to believe 🤷
 
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Might it be similar to the experience of non-catholics?

In my case (lapsed Church of England, and even for the non-lapsed belief in God is optional) it was strange.

My first Camino some time ago started as a walking holiday but became something more sincere as I neared Santiago and (without necessarily recognising any religious aspect of the destination) became more aware of following the path which countless others had trod.

The provenance of the relics and their fortunate discovery at a time of need test the belief of even the faithful, but one cannot avoid that countless others have gone before you in an expression of their faith.
 
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Does anyone know what it’s like to do the Camino as a lapsed Catholic??? I know we’re not meant to discuss religion on these forums but I’m sure there are many like me who have done it and enjoyed it. I’m from a science background myself but I’ve just read Genesis again and now I don’t know what to believe 🤷
..well done you...that's all that matters.....
 
Plenty of lapsed Catholics on the Camino.

The Camino isn't regulated .. no one asks you your beliefs, no Spanish Inquisition .. even in the pilgrim office for your Compostela you are only asked if you did it for 'spiritual reasons' and that really for them to issue the correct Compostela to you - all is well.

True, we cannot discuss religious beliefs on here but I think I can write this to you within the rules - ignore everything in the Bible except for the words that Yeshua is recorded as saying, meditate only on that - there lies the true heart of the matter.

Buen Camino.
 
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Yeah i don't think being a lapsed catholic will hinder what you get from the Camino!!
Have an open mind to whatever comes your way!
I am not religious but Camino and the power of faith, the houses of worship and the history you walk on exists it has moved me to tears more than once !
 
Grew up "atheist Catholic" -- Irish... in a household that didn't believe in sky men but held to the cultural history, practice, and identity. Politics... complicated.
Went on my first camino as such, and even came away from from it *more hostile* to vindictive sky men... didn't even think about being on speaking terms with any part of the trinity
Second camino... more neutral...
Third camino, sought refuge in a small chapel to avoid bad weather and received mercy... immediately survived a near death experience with my life saved by people who are medics as a vocation, a calling, not a cash-grab...
Caminos 4 and 5... started visiting more chapels
Camino 6... found my way to confirmation...
Camino 7... civil marriage was convalidated by my parish priest... and I live between faith and doubt, and find myself much aided by the sisters and priests who allow for the frustrations with God as "normal".
Are caminos and a return to or finding of Fatih, automatic? No. Necessary? No... but if it ends up working for you, so be it... and if you remain lapsed... well, so be it.
I tutored a nun long long ago, and she.... very Catholic, nonetheless said to me, "PG, God is not insecure and does not need your faith; you might need faith. Faith makes the unbearable a little less so... But God is not covetous or jealous, regardless of the bits and pieces we get in the OT... God wants you to be good and kind and happy. The rest just follows from that." It was an interesting perspective and I mulled on it for two decades before I even walked my first camino...
 
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Hola @maladjusted I think Rebekah (and to a lesser extent David) summed up you situation and provided some guidance.
My two caminos were at a time of estrangement from the Catholic Church so I did not take communion (by choice).
Most priest will still give a pilgrims blessing. At the cathedral in Santiago there are a number of priest who can help you (they speak a number of languages)..
So just go out and walk and meet your God on your terms.

(Mods I hope this answer stays within the rules and guidelines - Please!?)
 
The one from Galicia (the round) and the one from Castilla & Leon. Individually numbered and made by the same people that make the ones you see on your walk.
I’m from a science background myself but I’ve just read Genesis again and now I don’t know what to believe
Start with the science and just walk?
I'm not a lapsed Catholic but know plenty, some from the Camino. Lapses from faith received before adulthood don't really count as lapses in my book - more like refinement of understanding.

Some of those I know have become more Catholic on the Camino, some less. It's an inner journey each of us travels in our own way.

Might it be similar to the experience of non-catholics?
I'm not nor ever have been even Christian. But the Camino still has deep meaning.

Be prepared for enlightenment.
Haha, do people become Buddhas then?! Sheesh. I'm missing out. 🙃
 
"Come and see."
And, as my son reminds me, from a Heather Dale song entitled "The Road to Santiago...

I wondered what they shared that made such disparate men beloved / As they walked along the road to Santiago?"
 
I tutored a nun long long ago, and she.... very Catholic, nonetheless said to me, "PG, God is not insecure and does not need your faith; you might need faith. Faith makes the unbearable a little less so... But God is not covetous or jealous, regardless of the bits and pieces we get in the OT... God wants you to be good and kind and happy. The rest just follows from that." It was an interesting perspective and I mulled on it for two decades before I even walked my first camino...
You don't really have to be Catholic or even Christian to know and appreciate this. Just saying. Peace🙏🏻
 
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I met a guy on my most recent camino who told me that he had walked his first camino as an escape from a tricky home situation, and as a lifelong brought-up-from-childhood atheist, also as a ratbag human. He neither cared about nor had interest in the r*ligious aspect of pilgrimage and was simply going for a long walk. When he walked into the cathedral at Santiago he could not help but fall on his knees and he felt what he described as "the presence of God". He knew what he had experienced, it was palpably real to him and so he went home and figured someone in a church might be able to help him make sense of that. He is now (again his words) living for and with Jesus. He has been rejected by all his partners in crime (so now has no friends from his old life), but considers the sacrifice worthwhile.
Towards the end of last year he was rushed to hospital, paralysed and told he would never walk again. All he could do was pray. I met him walking the camino, eager to share how God had turned his life upside down!
 
Does anyone know what it’s like to do the Camino as a lapsed Catholic??? I know we’re not meant to discuss religion on these forums but I’m sure there are many like me who have done it and enjoyed it. I’m from a science background myself but I’ve just read Genesis again and now I don’t know what to believe 🤷
I think El Camino is perfect for those of us who are exactly in these situations and emotional states
 
You don't really have to be Catholic or even Christian to know and appreciate this. Just saying. Peace🙏🏻
Sure... but she said it, and it stuck with me... because growing up, partly in the secular school system that disparaged 'faith' as something given to an abusive overlord out of fear and irrationality, her take struck me as unusually *gentle* and about each individual person's welfare... some 30 years later I became acquainted with the Jesuit take on finding and living in the places where heaven is found on earth -- the idea that the two are not entirely separate... and that it is not only "OK" to be happy, but is our mission: to be happy and to help others be happy.
And now I do try to help others to enjoy life, to find happiness.
I read a fair amount of Nick Cave on these things too... he's Church of England rather than Rome... but that part is not so relevant to me as is his wisdom in the face of shocking loss.
 
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I hope these words of mine are OK to post, since they deal with religion, but it’s really about me, my own process and how I’m grappling with my feelings and significance of doing this pilgrimage. Apologies in advance if somehow I overstep some bounds, as that is not my intention. I hope my perspective might be useful to you in some way (and it’s OK if it’s not).

I think of myself as a former Catholic, not lapsed, as my current lack of religious practice has been deliberate, not simply something that I forgot due to lack of habit. Your query has got me thinking a lot, because I DO come from a Catholic background, I grew up in a Catholic culture, so some of it has stayed with me. I’m planning to do my first Camino next month, so I think I can relate to some of the awkwardness, and this is how I’m processing it:

When I was young, I did go through a “I want to be a priest” stage, but life took me in a different, more scientific direction. There was too much about religion I couldn’t wrap my head around. Fortunately, I did not experience any of those unfortunate abusive incidents we’ve all heard about, and as much trauma as i have about many things, church is not one of them, other than it failed me at the time, or so it has seemed all this time.

I have dabbled in other forms of spirituality, like Buddhism, Native American, Yoga, Unitarian/Universalist, also attended 12 step meetings for non-chemical issues but having a spiritual component. In the meantime, I’ve been struggling with PTSD, depression, grief and loss. Since now I’m doing better psychologically, I have more willingness to keep an open mind about the church. After all, nobody is forcing me to walk a religious pilgrimage, so I think I would be best advised for me to be respectful of the rituals and beliefs that have sustained countless people even if those haven’t worked for me. I also believe I should be teachable, cast aside past traumas and biases, and perhaps learn something in the process. I hope I can do so with the humility necessary to absorb the lessons I need to learn.

I want to light candles in churches. I want to hear Gregorian chants. I want to sit in the wilderness, under a tree, on the forest, meseta, mountain, anywhere, with my head down, reverently trying to hear whatever message I’m supposed to get, if any. I want to have heartfelt conversations with clergy about things that have troubled me for the longest time, without bitterness or anger, but with humility in the recognition that I don’t know everything, and that no one else does, either.

I do have criticisms about certain church issues, but I try to balance those criticisms with a compassionate understanding that, for thousands of years, humanity had to somehow figure out how to make sense of this difficult world, without the benefit of our modern technology, doing the best the can while struggling with our flawed humanity. While religious beliefs and practices have been a source of pain and sorrow to countless people, they have also been a source of comfort and guidance to countless others. So I try not to throw the baby out with the bath water. I hope I can take a fresh look without being judgmental.

Watching You Tube videos, I saw a clip somewhere of a group of nuns playing guitars, singing, and blessing pilgrims with a kiss in the forehead, it felt genuine. Although I do not consider myself religious, I would be honored if I’m allowed to receive such a blessing, as unworthy of it as I feel.

I do not need to believe the entire religious dogma nor eat the whole enchilada. But I think I might find something in the Camino that might enrich my sense of spirituality.

I don’t know how it will play out. Despite my good intentions, there’s no telling what might come up for me, what might be triggered, but I’m hoping that it will bring me a different level of understanding of our complex humanity. In doing so, maybe I can also be a comforting presence for others that are also struggling.

Thanks for posing this question, I hope this long-winded response is helpful in some way, or that at least it is OK.

Peace and good night!
 

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