ETIAS?

[Marbe2]

https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias_en is the Website I reviewed, as well as a search on this website before asking again about the current status of ETIAS.

According to the website ETIAS is scheduled to start six months after EES. Does anyone have any idea when EES is now scheduled, again to start? I just booked a Camino flight for late April/May.


It is my understanding that once ETIAS is in place it will require us to be either fingerprinted or facial entry will be utilized? Is that correct? Personally, my experience with Global Entry in The USA would hope that the EU takes as much time as needed before implementing their system for the masses.

In the USA, I have used Global Entry for almost 10 years. Initially, it required us to be fingerprinted. When we arrived back inthe USA,instead of waiting on obnoxiously long lines at JFK, or EWR, we went to kiosks, put our passports in and then put our fingers on a glass screen for our prints to be verified. Initially, we sometimes had glitches. All of our fingers didn’t always read well, particularly if your prints weren’t as readable (elderly, musicians, construction workers, farmers etc.). Thankfully, there weren’t that many casual American travelers who wanted to-pay $100 per year for this service, so glitches weren’t as problematic. Last couple of years the kiosks progressed to facial recognition. It works better, but then one needs to really face the screen! Of course! But sometimes, people are shorter or taller than the particular screens viewing range….then requiring the entrant to adjust their height, or go to a different machine. Still there weren’t a lot of people using Global Entry, not enough, that is, to create a back-up. Can’t wait to see what happens when the masses have to use a similar, but hopefully better recognition system…. hopefully after my upcoming Camino trip!

 

[Marbe2]

It is myund

‘Mid 2025’ is the best current update

Information on ETIAS (European Travel Information and Authorisation System)

It is expected that ETIAS will only be implemented in mid-2025.

www.eeas.europa.eu

Having long, frequent and recent experience of major European airports pre-and post-Brexit my first entry into Schengen when either or both systems finally go live will be to a tourist-dominated Spanish airport. The authorities there know the value of tourism and tend to allocate appropriate resources. Experience during covid is a guide - the big Spanish airports were exemplary.

In the last two weeks I’ve entered through Schipol - two slow officials for a queue like the crowd scene in ‘Gandhi’.40 minutes in the air, 2.5 hours in immigration. Alicante; five UK flights landed within 20 minutes. Immigration took 5 minutes.

Is not the ETIAS system uniform across the various EU countries? In the exiting process, I read that fingerprinting and facial recognition would be utilized. Does anyone know how Spain plans to implement EES. How will we get fingerprinted or get a photo taken. Will we need to make an appointment before flying home or exit the country like we did when Covid was checked? We certainly can’t do that at security when flying home…

 

[TravellingMan22]

I don’t know the details but the process sounds pretty much the same as foreign nationals use to enter Australia, Canada and USA to name three. It’s really smoothed up the process. From confirmation post application within a few minutes to quicker times with border agents. Often don’t even have to get a stamp. Fingerprints are taken and you look into the camera. If you re-enter within a certain timeframe, your details are already on file. It would be uniform across all the relevant European countries I would imagine. It’s no surprise to me it’s has been delayed so many times. Trying to get so many countries aligned must be quite the task.

I certainly wouldn’t envisage any appointments! There no chance of that unless you need a visa.

 

[TravellingMan22]

It’s across Schengen, not the EU precisely; and all to be done at point of entry not in advance.

I’ve seen the banks of machines in-situ for months at many airports. Enter passport - as for the current electronic gates - put fingers on print sensor and don’t smile for the camera. How one pays when the charge starts, I don’t know, but contactless card would be my guess

You just pay €7 pre travel and you get travel authority for 3 years! No boarding the plane without pre approval!

I’ve have not seen the machines in Europe but they have similar in Australia. You do your entry stuff at the machines and then pass through the immigration barriers without even speaking to an agent.

 

[TravellingMan22]

https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias_en is the Website I reviewed, as well as a search on this website before asking again about the current status of ETIAS.

According to the website ETIAS is scheduled to start six months after EES. Does anyone have any idea when EES is now scheduled, again to start? I just booked a Camino flight for late April/May.


It is my understanding that once ETIAS is in place it will require us to be either fingerprinted or facial entry will be utilized? Is that correct? Personally, my experience with Global Entry in The USA would hope that the EU takes as much time as needed before implementing their system for the masses.

In the USA, I have used Global Entry for almost 10 years. Initially, it required us to be fingerprinted. When we arrived back inthe USA,instead of waiting on obnoxiously long lines at JFK, or EWR, we went to kiosks, put our passports in and then put our fingers on a glass screen for our prints to be verified. Initially, we sometimes had glitches. All of our fingers didn’t always read well, particularly if your prints weren’t as readable (elderly, musicians, construction workers, farmers etc.). Thankfully, there weren’t that many casual American travelers who wanted to-pay $100 per year for this service, so glitches weren’t as problematic. Last couple of years the kiosks progressed to facial recognition. It works better, but then one needs to really face the screen! Of course! But sometimes, people are shorter or taller than the particular screens viewing range….then requiring the entrant to adjust their height, or go to a different machine. Still there weren’t a lot of people using Global Entry, not enough, that is, to create a back-up. Can’t wait to see what happens when the masses have to use a similar, but hopefully better recognition system…. hopefully after my upcoming Camino trip!

Well I guess we are increasingly using and getting used to facial recognition and it will/has become the norm. My phone is basically run on facial recognition, to get into apps, approve payments, etc. It’s something I use probably 100 times a day.

I certainly think Spain is one of the best in terms of passenger entry processing amongst European in terms of current process, so I would think good news awaits!

 

[henrythedog]

I’ll remove my post on the assumption that I’m wrong wrt payment. Do you have a link as to how it works if you have to pay pre-departure but have not gone through the photo/fingerprint system until arrival?

All the Spanish airports I’ve been through recently have the machines in-situ (many of them) but covered

 

[TravellingMan22]

I’ll remove my post on the assumption that I’m wrong wrt payment. Do you have a link as to how it works if you have to pay pre-departure but have not gone through the photo/fingerprint system until arrival?

I will try and find one! But it’s the same as getting as ESTA for the USA, or an ETA for Canada in advance of travel. You apply, pay, get approval and off you go. I guess it is approval to travel and you get on the bus or plane with that approval. It’s a one off payment as opposed to ‘pay per entry’, again same as USA and Canada. Countries reserve the right to not admit you I guess, though that will be vary rare.

Not sure you will be fingerprinted every time-no idea. I entered the USA twice in quick succession earlier this year and they didn’t fingerprint me the second time.

 

[JabbaPapa]

It has been delayed several times over many years, so your guess is as good as anyone else's.